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I support tariffs 100%. Buy American. Or at least have fair trade. You have choices, use them.

Blackvegetable » 18 Aug 2025, 6:01 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 6:01 am

What "problem" does it promise to make "go away"?

Read the OP, you simple ****.
I merely said I don't care if coffee goes up in price.

You know all about money, finance, economics, tariffs.
Why is a tariff on Brazilian goods bad? Please explain the horrors to be visited upon us.

Blackvegetable » 18 Aug 2025, 10:48 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 10:48 am

Interesting that you had to go to media you deride for the details of that at which your favored sources only hinted.

I will read just about anything from any source.

If you check, I don't post much from Fox news.

Democrats should focus a little more on a message that reasonates with more people rather than a bunch of D.E.I. ****!

"As President, Kamala Harris will focus on creating an opportunity economy for the middle class that advances their economic security, stability, and dignity,” 

That **** is gag worthy!
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Aug 2025, 5:16 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 5:16 am

Has FOX told you?

It makes no sense, right?

C'mon, Idiots....find the courage to admit it...

If it causes a hardship to some people, the solution is simple.  Quit buying your Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Oatmeal Macchiato Frappe like you gay boys all love and buy a can of coffee to brew it for yourself!  A 3 lb. can of Costco's Kirkland Premium is still under $20 (which is excellent), and that breaks out to around 40 cents a cup.  So those that aren't happy with the price increase can instead make the sane choice and SAVE $4.60 cents a cup rather than pay any increase.
Or do you think people have no other options but to pay $5+ for a cup of coffee outside of their home? 
Don't assume that everyone else is as ignorant as you and can't (or won't) change their habits if and when the need arises. 

That's the problem with all you Trump-hating liberals.  You look at just one possible outcome that will cost Americans more, and in your idiocy and blind, Trump hatred, you don't consider how people will always make adjustments to compensate for it, just like they do if the price of beef goes up, people switch to chicken or pork.  And of course, once people cut down how much they drink because of the higher price, Brazil, and any other coffee-producing countries will slowly reduce that price based on the lower demand, since the supply remains unchanged.  From there, let's see how Brazil copes with the recession that economists all say is imminent for them this year.  Think the 50% tariff they've now been hit with won't crush their economy?  And how do you think Brazil's coffee exports will be affected in comparison to coffee exports from Colombia, which are only paying a 10% Trump tariff?  Think Brazil can find another country to make up for the amount of coffee that they lose in sales to the US?

Or can't you ignorant liberals even understand that basic economic reality of the laws of supply and demand? 
 
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Aug 2025, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 10:45 am

Nothing more, or less, than what it says

I use a lot of things with iron in it...
 

Blackvegetable » Today, 10:48 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:48 am

Fuelman » Today, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:27 am

CNN — Vice President Kamala Harris will push to increase the corporate tax rate to 28% from the current 21%, her campaign said Monday, the first day of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. 

There's not much to describe here.

Krugman must be having an epic meltdown!

Interesting that you had to go to media you deride for the details of that at which your favored sources only hinted.

 

No, it shows the validity of it when your favorite source says it.  

*Huey » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

5 minutes ago

No, it shows the validity of it when your favorite source says it.

Is he still pissed off that his own source contradicted him? What a moron. 

Fuelman » Today, 8:20 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 8:20 am

Tariffs are an excellent tool for behavior modification as Brazil is finding out.

 

 

Fuelman » Today, 8:25 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 8:25 am

FYI:

Donald Trump's administration imposed a 50% tariff on Brazilian coffee imports to the US primarily as a form of political pressure rather than for purely economic reasons.
Here's why:
Support for Jair Bolsonaro: Trump has repeatedly voiced his support for former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, a right-wing ally who is currently on trial in Brazil facing charges related to plotting a coup after the 2022 election results and refusing to leave office quietly. Trump has characterized the case against Bolsonaro as a "witch hunt".
Disapproval of Brazilian Supreme Court: Trump has also criticized the actions of the Brazilian Supreme Court, particularly Justice Alexandre de Moraes, who is overseeing the case against Bolsonaro and has taken steps to curb online speech. Trump views these actions as undermining free elections and freedom of speech.
Leverage in other areas: While Trump has historically cited trade deficits as a justification for tariffs, the US actually has a trade surplus with Brazil. Therefore, the coffee tariffs, among others, appear to be a tactic to exert influence on Brazil's internal political affairs and potentially to achieve other goals, such as limiting the influence of BRICS countries.
In essence, the tariffs on Brazilian coffee, and other Brazilian products, were implemented by the Trump administration as a means of expressing strong disapproval of the Brazilian government's actions against Bolsonaro and to pressure them to alter their stance on the matter.

 

This right here has caused this thread to fail.  That is why the OP is trying to reframe his own thread.  Read this before it gets PG'd

Zeets2 » 18 Aug 2025, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 11:39 am

If it causes a hardship to some people, the solution is simple.  Quit buying your Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Oatmeal Macchiato Frappe like you gay boys all love and buy a can of coffee to brew it for yourself!  A 3 lb. can of Costco's Kirkland Premium is still under $20 (which is excellent), and that breaks out to around 40 cents a cup.  So those that aren't happy with the price increase can instead make the sane choice and SAVE $4.60 cents a cup rather than pay any increase.
Or do you think people have no other options but to pay $5+ for a cup of coffee outside of their home? 
Don't assume that everyone else is as ignorant as you and can't (or won't) change their habits if and when the need arises. 

That's the problem with all you Trump-hating liberals.  You look at just one possible outcome that will cost Americans more, and in your idiocy and blind, Trump hatred, you don't consider how people will always make adjustments to compensate for it, just like they do if the price of beef goes up, people switch to chicken or pork.  And of course, once people cut down how much they drink because of the higher price, Brazil, and any other coffee-producing countries will slowly reduce that price based on the lower demand, since the supply remains unchanged.  From there, let's see how Brazil copes with the recession that economists all say is imminent for them this year.  Think the 50% tariff they've now been hit with won't crush their economy?  And how do you think Brazil's coffee exports will be affected in comparison to coffee exports from Colombia, which are only paying a 10% Trump tariff?  Think Brazil can find another country to make up for the amount of coffee that they lose in sales to the US?

Or can't you ignorant liberals even understand that basic economic reality of the laws of supply and demand?

Natch, Zeet...

But the question is WHY....
 

Blackvegetable » 1 minute ago » wrote: ↑

1 minute ago

Natch, Zeet...

But the question is WHY....

Which scenario is an example of survivorship bias in evaluating business success?

A) Believing that reading business books increases revenue after finding many CEOs recommend them.
B) Concluding that most startups fail after analyzing bankrupt companies.
C) Thinking entrepreneurship is easy because most media profiles focus on successful founders.
D) Surveying customers to understand why they chose your product over competitors   

Blackvegetable » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

Zeets2 » Today, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 11:39 am

If it causes a hardship to some people, the solution is simple.  Quit buying your Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Oatmeal Macchiato Frappe like you gay boys all love and buy a can of coffee to brew it for yourself!  A 3 lb. can of Costco's Kirkland Premium is still under $20 (which is excellent), and that breaks out to around 40 cents a cup.  So those that aren't happy with the price increase can instead make the sane choice and SAVE $4.60 cents a cup rather than pay any increase.
Or do you think people have no other options but to pay $5+ for a cup of coffee outside of their home? 
Don't assume that everyone else is as ignorant as you and can't (or won't) change their habits if and when the need arises. 

That's the problem with all you Trump-hating liberals.  You look at just one possible outcome that will cost Americans more, and in your idiocy and blind, Trump hatred, you don't consider how people will always make adjustments to compensate for it, just like they do if the price of beef goes up, people switch to chicken or pork.  And of course, once people cut down how much they drink because of the higher price, Brazil, and any other coffee-producing countries will slowly reduce that price based on the lower demand, since the supply remains unchanged.  From there, let's see how Brazil copes with the recession that economists all say is imminent for them this year.  Think the 50% tariff they've now been hit with won't crush their economy?  And how do you think Brazil's coffee exports will be affected in comparison to coffee exports from Colombia, which are only paying a 10% Trump tariff?  Think Brazil can find another country to make up for the amount of coffee that they lose in sales to the US?

Or can't you ignorant liberals even understand that basic economic reality of the laws of supply and demand?

Natch, Zeet...

But the question is WHY....
 

 

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Fuelman » Today, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 11:31 am

I will read just about anything from any source.

If you check, I don't post much from Fox news.

Democrats should focus a little more on a message that reasonates with more people rather than a bunch of D.E.I. ****!

"As President, Kamala Harris will focus on creating an opportunity economy for the middle class that advances their economic security, stability, and dignity,” 

That **** is gag worthy!

That **** is gag worthy!

  What is the objective of Grifty's tariff and immigration policies?

Blackvegetable » 4 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

4 minutes ago

  What is the objective of Grifty's tariff and immigration policies?

It has already been explained to you why there are tariffs on Brazil. Your question was answered.

I can fully appreciate why The Rubes of Jan 6th struggle with this question. 

These are unusually stupid people.

PhiloBeddo » 18 Aug 2025, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 10:59 am

I support tariffs 100%. Buy American. Or at least have fair trade. You have choices, use them.

Phil,

We enjoy a trade SURPLUS with Brazil.

Blackvegetable » 6 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

6 minutes ago

I can fully appreciate why The Rubes of Jan 6th struggle with this question. 

These are unusually stupid people.

 

 

Blackvegetable » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

5 minutes ago

PhiloBeddo » Today, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:59 am

I support tariffs 100%. Buy American. Or at least have fair trade. You have choices, use them.

Phil,

We enjoy a trade SURPLUS with Brazil.

 

Nobody struggled with it.  It was answered.  The issue with Brazill is not about a trade imbalance, it is about forcing policy change.

Now go ahead and hide behind PG both moving yet another post on the topic.

For the slow and weak of mind


Why should American consumers pay to punish Brazil for prosecuting Bolsonaro?

Blackvegetable » 18 Aug 2025, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 2:38 pm

For the slow and weak of mind

Why should American consumers pay to punish Brazil for prosecuting Bolsonaro?

Because the Master said so.....on your knees, scum.....when you say his name.

Blackvegetable » 14 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

14 minutes ago

For the slow and weak of mind

Why should American consumers pay to punish Brazil for prosecuting Bolsonaro?

Somebody FINALLY realizes this was never a trade imbalance issue but one of policy.  I guess seeing you favorite source call you an idiot convinced you.

RebelGator » 18 Aug 2025, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 2:49 pm

Because the Master said so.....on your knees, scum.....when you say his name.

That is not why...