James Comey is Toast

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29 Sep 2025 9:14 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Cannonpointer » 01 Oct 2025, 7:47 pm » wrote: How much time does the law require a client to study the attorney's signature, and what expertise will studying the signature give the client in recognizing the attorney's handwriting?

Can a client be qualified by the court and confirmed as an "expert witness" on an attorney's handwriting, based on having studied the attorney's signature for whatever time the law requires?

How long has the law requiring clients to study their attorney's signatures been in effect? Was it passed by republicans ro democrats?

I provided proof that he had seen his lawyers handwtiting. now  you are raisung the bar that he should be able to give expert  testimony. funny you don't seem to  care about that when he said he never saw that whacked out handwriting, that you believe with no further questions asked.
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Cannonpointer » 01 Oct 2025, 6:42 pm » wrote: How much do you suppose ANY man's practiced signature resembles his handwriting?

Just think about if, FFS. I have seen men take five minutes to sign a thing, considering their signatures monuments to their public image and investing effort to demonstrate that conviction. Even folks who are not signature obsessed - and many are - will have a signature that is practiced and not at all comprable to their day-to-day penmanship. 

And what makes you assume that Trump ever bothered to GLANCE at his attorney's signature (IF signature there were), much less study the **** thing so that he would always know this particular attorney's scrivening?

The entire complaint is preposterous. EVEN IF YOU DISBELIEVE TRUMP regarding his recognition of the handwriting, it is STILL fair play to grant the doubt. The idea of making such a molehill the mountain you are willing to die on, ESPECIALLY given Trump's far more egregious sins that are NOT similarly in question, reeks of derangement and horribly skewed priorities. It would literally make a funny script - someone walking past a hundred felonies, kicking the evidence out of their path, to quibble over an extremely questionable misdemeanor. I think Saturday Night Live could use you on their writing team.

it proves that trumps lawyers lie. a prerequisite when trump hires his lawyers.
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jerrab » 02 Oct 2025, 10:26 am » wrote: I provided proof that he had seen his lawyers handwtiting.
No.

Speculation only.
jerrab » 02 Oct 2025, 10:26 am » wrote: now  you are raisung the bar that he should be able to give expert  testimony. funny you don't seem to  care about that when he said he never saw that whacked out handwriting, that you believe with no further questions asked.
No.

I am being sarcastic about the expert testimony. You are deranged.
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jerrab » 02 Oct 2025, 10:30 am » wrote: it proves that trumps lawyers lie. a prerequisite when trump hires his lawyers.
If Trump's lawyers don't lie, they're not very good lawyers, child. 

You need to find a less insane hill to die on.
 
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: If Trump's lawyers don't lie, they're not very good lawyers, child. 

You need to find a less insane hill to die on.

if trumps lawyers don't lie they are not good lawyers for HIM.
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jerrab » 02 Oct 2025, 11:46 am » wrote: if trumps lawyers don't lie they are not good lawyers for HIM.
They don't even force him to study their handwriting. 

What kind of **** lawyer is THAT?

I mean, virtually everyone who ever HIRED a lawyer not only knows the man's handwriting on sight, but can likely duplicate it. Because they have studied it extensively.  :rolleyes: :drool:  
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:50 am » wrote: They don't even force him to study their handwriting. 

What kind of **** lawyer is THAT?

I mean, virtually everyone who ever HIRED a lawyer not only knows the man's handwriting on sight, but can likely duplicate it. Because they have studied it extensively.  Image Image
HEY!  That's what happened to me!  Now I'm an expert.   Image  
 
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:43 am » wrote: No.

Speculation only.

No.

I am being sarcastic about the expert testimony. You are deranged.

nope being logical.  you say he is not an expert but there should be no questions asked when he says it is not his lawyers handwriting.
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: If Trump's lawyers don't lie, they're not very good lawyers, child. 

You need to find a less insane hill to die on.
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 Lying by a lawyer is a serious ethical violation that can result in legal malpractice and disciplinary action. 
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: If Trump's lawyers don't lie, they're not very good lawyers, child. 

You need to find a less insane hill to die on.
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No, lawyers are not allowed to lie for their clients. Lawyers have a duty of candor and honesty, which prohibits them from making false statements of material fact or law to courts, opposing counsel, or other third parties. While they have a duty of confidentiality to their clients, this does not permit them to lie, and they must not allow their services to be used for a client to perpetrate a crime or fraud
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: If Trump's lawyers don't lie, they're not very good lawyers, child. 

You need to find a less insane hill to die on.
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What does a lawyer do if their client is lying?
AI Overview
If a lawyer knows their client is lying about a material fact in court, they must try to convince the client to correct the false statement, and if the client refuses, the lawyer must take "reasonable remedial measures," which may include disclosing the false information to the court or seeking to withdraw from the representation. The duty to disclose or withdraw to prevent fraud on the court supersedes the attorney's duty to keep client information confidential. 
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: If Trump's lawyers don't lie, they're not very good lawyers, child. 

You need to find a less insane hill to die on.
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The rules of professional conduct
Attorneys are strictly bound by rules set by organizations like the American Bar Association (ABA) and state bar associations. These rules explicitly forbid lawyers from: 
  • Knowingly making false statements of fact or law to a tribunal (including a judge or jury).
  • Failing to correct a previously made false statement of a material fact or law.
  • Offering evidence they know to be false. If a lawyer later learns that evidence they offered was false, they must take reasonable remedial measures, which may include disclosure to the court.
  • Assisting a client in offering false evidence or perjured testimony. If a client insists on perjuring themselves, a lawyer must refuse to offer the false testimony.
  • Engaging in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: If Trump's lawyers don't lie, they're not very good lawyers, child. 

You need to find a less insane hill to die on.

James Michael Johnson (born January 30, 1972) is an American lawyer and politician

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the biggest liar in the world and trump wovs him.
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 11:50 am » wrote: They don't even force him to study their handwriting. 

What kind of **** lawyer is THAT?

I mean, virtually everyone who ever HIRED a lawyer not only knows the man's handwriting on sight, but can likely duplicate it. Because they have studied it extensively.  Image Image
I had never seen this. I mean I saw the one pic of the hat and Schumer and what's his name with the hat.

I watched the whole thing this time. A little over half way through is hilarious.    The Trump Horn Section.  OMG

Image   Image   Image  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt3A8HpOGDY
 
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jerrab » 02 Oct 2025, 1:06 pm » wrote: --------------------------------------------------------

No, lawyers are not allowed to lie for their clients. Lawyers have a duty of candor and honesty, which prohibits them from making false statements of material fact or law to courts, opposing counsel, or other third parties. While they have a duty of confidentiality to their clients, this does not permit them to lie, and they must not allow their services to be used for a client to perpetrate a crime or fraud
Sigh.

That's nice. 

Then there's the real world. 
 
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jerrab » 02 Oct 2025, 1:07 pm » wrote: ------------------------

What does a lawyer do if their client is lying?
AI Overview
If a lawyer knows their client is lying about a material fact in court, they must try to convince the client to correct the false statement, and if the client refuses, the lawyer must take "reasonable remedial measures," which may include disclosing the false information to the court or seeking to withdraw from the representation. The duty to disclose or withdraw to prevent fraud on the court supersedes the attorney's duty to keep client information confidential.
AI did not even MENTION the larger doody to



MAKE THAT **** MONEY!!!
 
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You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

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An opinion you won't defend is not your own

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When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

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jerrab » 02 Oct 2025, 1:12 pm » wrote: -------------------------

The rules of professional conduct
Attorneys are strictly bound by rules set by organizations like the American Bar Association (ABA) and state bar associations. These rules explicitly forbid lawyers from: 
  • Knowingly making false statements of fact or law to a tribunal (including a judge or jury).
  • Failing to correct a previously made false statement of a material fact or law.
  • Offering evidence they know to be false. If a lawyer later learns that evidence they offered was false, they must take reasonable remedial measures, which may include disclosure to the court.
  • Assisting a client in offering false evidence or perjured testimony. If a client insists on perjuring themselves, a lawyer must refuse to offer the false testimony.
  • Engaging in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation
I have taken lawyers on and beaten them.

I am well aware of the canons. :)

I am also well aware of how the world works. :)
 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

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You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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roadkill » 02 Oct 2025, 1:17 pm » wrote: I had never seen this. I mean I saw the one pic of the hat and Schumer and what's his name with the hat.

I watched the whole thing this time. A little over half way through is hilarious.    The Trump Horn Section.  OMG

Image   Image   Image  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt3A8HpOGDY
That was **** high-larious!
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 8:23 pm » wrote: That was **** high-larious!
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DUMP THE TRUMP SLUMP 2026!
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Cannonpointer » 02 Oct 2025, 8:15 pm » wrote: AI did not even MENTION the larger doody to

MAKE THAT **** MONEY!!!

disbarrment- the price of being trump's lawyer--------
  • Jeffrey Clark: A D.C. disciplinary panel ruled in August 2025 that the former Justice Department official should be disbarred for his "dishonesty" and efforts to pressure department leaders into making false claims about the 2020 election.
  • Jenna Ellis: Agreed to a three-year suspension of her law license in Colorado in 2023. She admitted to making false statements about the 2020 election as part of her guilty plea in the Georgia criminal case.
  • Sidney Powell: Faced sanctions and disciplinary proceedings, including fines for filing frivolous lawsuits challenging the 2020 election results in Michigan. She also pleaded guilty in the Georgia election case. 
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