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Vegas » 03 Nov 2025, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 12:06 pm

That's a great website. Americans need to know more about it. They first need to admit that they were wrong about Israel, otherwise they will keep them in.

unfortunately some will never admit it. because supposedly God gave israel to the jews as in the old testament.

and lord knows how I have tried to show that the old testament is not infallible, not written by God, because in one verse it says for noah to take all animals by 2's and in another verse only some animals by 2's and some animals by 7's.

God would not have said such a descrepancy.

I would not complain but the idea that God gave israel to the jews is causing so much misery and some people just will not listen

 
 

jerrab » 03 Nov 2025, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 12:54 pm

unfortunately some will never admit it. because supposedly God gave israel to the jews as in the old testament.

and lord knows how I have tried to show that the old testament is not infallible, not written by God, because one verse it says for noah to take all animals by 2's and in another verse only some animals by 2's and some animals by 7's.

God would not have said such a descrepancy.

I would not complain but the idea that God gave israel to the jews is causing so much misery and some people just will not listen

Yeah, there are definitely inconsistencies in the Old Testament. There is a huge misinterpretation of the Jews being God's people. It's not how the modern people interpret it. 

Vegas » 03 Nov 2025, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 12:57 pm

Yeah, there are definitely inconsistencies in the Old Testament. There is a huge misinterpretation of the Jews being God's people. It's not how the modern people interpret it.

ask rog- he believes it.

many other christians believe it as well.

the jews take advantage of it.

jerrab » 03 Nov 2025, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 12:59 pm

ask rog- he believes it.

many other christians believe it as well.

the jews take advantage of it.

There are orthodox Jews in America and in Britain who vehemently condemn Israel. They practice true Judaism. They try to distant themselves from the actions of Israel claiming that Israel does not represent the true God in the bible. To them Israel is not from God. However, unfortunately there are not very many true Jewish Orthodox organizations, and most are too afraid to speak out. 

Vegas » 03 Nov 2025, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 10:40 am

here is thing, Rebel. Something tells me that you could be front and center of these atrocities and you still would say "But they deserve it. They shoot rockets at Israel." Though I have educated you many times behind that history, it wouldn't matter to you.

Condescending horse ****......I only need to go back 2 years to 10/7 to witness genocide, though the terrorists have launched over 10,000 missiles at women and children in Israel over the last few decades and bombed busses and restaurants. 

RebelGator » 03 Nov 2025, 1:42 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 1:42 pm

Condescending horse ****......I only need to go back 2 years to 10/7 to witness genocide, though the terrorists have launched over 10,000 missiles at women and children in Israel over the last few decades and bombed busses and restaurants.

I literally just said that this is exactly what you would say....and ignore the history that I provided. 

God man. Seriously. At least make an effort to be original. 

Vegas » 03 Nov 2025, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 1:45 pm

I literally just said that this is exactly what you would say....and ignore the history that I provided. 

God man. Seriously. At least make an effort to be original.

I'll keep pounding the simple facts in your head until they register, if I'm redundant,  that's your fault.

RebelGator » 03 Nov 2025, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 1:47 pm

I'll keep pounding the simple facts in your head until they register, if I'm redundant,  that's your fault.

You have ignored all the simple facts I gave you about before 10/7. You still think that attack happened in a vacuum. Your denial of facts is not my problem. Figure it out. 

Vegas » 03 Nov 2025, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 1:50 pm

You have ignored all the simple facts I gave you about before 10/7. You still think that attack happened in a vacuum. Your denial of facts is not my problem. Figure it out.

I understand you're pissed because Israel reacted to an unprovoked attack against women and children at a music festival by destroying the scum that initiated it......why, I don't know.

RebelGator » 03 Nov 2025, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 1:54 pm

I understand you're pissed because Israel reacted to an unprovoked attack against women and children at a music festival by destroying the scum that initiated it......why, I don't know.

      You seriously believe it was unprovoked.                         

Vegas » 03 Nov 2025, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 1:50 pm

You have ignored all the simple facts I gave you about before 10/7. You still think that attack happened in a vacuum. Your denial of facts is not my problem. Figure it out.

more proof that americans are pro israel and feel palistianians should not be in israel

Roshambo » 02 Nov 2025, 3:19 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2025, 3:19 pm

To whom do these elected officials owe their allegiance? Israel or the USA? It certainly cannot be both.

The Israel Lobby in Us Congress

https://www.trackaipac.com/congress

Why don't you take a stand BV?
 

jerrab » 03 Nov 2025, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 12:54 pm

I would not complain but the idea that God gave israel to the jews is causing so much misery and some people just will not listen

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all trace their roots to Abraham, and the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) contains multiple references to God promising the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants (Genesis 15:18, Deuteronomy 1:8)

Yes, Jesus said that not one iota or dot would pass from the Law until all is accomplished, affirming the enduring significance of the Old Testament.

This statement comes from Matthew 5:17–18, part of the Sermon on the Mount:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”

Jesus affirmed the Law, saying He came to fulfill it, not abolish it (Matthew 5:17).
 
 

MR-7 » 04 Nov 2025, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2025, 12:55 pm

Why don't you take a stand BV?

Regarding my perspective, the contributions I have made in this thread reinforce my views on this subject.
You seem to be mistaking me for a different user on this platform. 
Do your best to maintain your relationship with the FDBHW of yours. Buy her a Platinum level membership to a local vehicle wash.
 
 
 

MR-7 » 04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all trace their roots to Abraham, and the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) contains multiple references to God promising the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants (Genesis 15:18, Deuteronomy 1:8)

Yes, Jesus said that not one iota or dot would pass from the Law until all is accomplished, affirming the enduring significance of the Old Testament.

This statement comes from Matthew 5:17–18, part of the Sermon on the Mount:

Jesus affirmed the Law, saying He came to fulfill it, not abolish it (Matthew 5:17).

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In Judaism, many believe that Israel belongs to the Jewish people as a result of a covenant God made with Abraham to give them the land. This belief is based on biblical accounts, such as in the book of Genesis, where God promises the land to Abraham, his son Isaac, and his grandson Jacob (also named Israel). The connection is a central tenet of Jewish faith and is also supported in some Islamic interpretations through the Quran. 

MR-7 » 04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all trace their roots to Abraham, and the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) contains multiple references to God promising the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants (Genesis 15:18, Deuteronomy 1:8)

Yes, Jesus said that not one iota or dot would pass from the Law until all is accomplished, affirming the enduring significance of the Old Testament.

This statement comes from Matthew 5:17–18, part of the Sermon on the Mount:

Jesus affirmed the Law, saying He came to fulfill it, not abolish it (Matthew 5:17

clearly the jews----/////////////////////////

12 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13 Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”

MR-7 » 04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all trace their roots to Abraham, and the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) contains multiple references to God promising the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants (Genesis 15:18, Deuteronomy 1:8)

Yes, Jesus said that not one iota or dot would pass from the Law until all is accomplished, affirming the enduring significance of the Old Testament.

This statement comes from Matthew 5:17–18, part of the Sermon on the Mount:

Jesus affirmed the Law, saying He came to fulfill it, not abolish it (Matthew 5:17).

genesis 15--------------
2 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13 Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi[e] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, **** and Jebusites.”Footnotes

MR-7 » 04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2025, 1:07 pm

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all trace their roots to Abraham, and the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) contains multiple references to God promising the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants (Genesis 15:18, Deuteronomy 1:8)

Yes, Jesus said that not one iota or dot would pass from the Law until all is accomplished, affirming the enduring significance of the Old Testament.

This statement comes from Matthew 5:17–18, part of the Sermon on the Mount:

Jesus affirmed the Law, saying He came to fulfill it, not abolish it (Matthew 5:17).

matthw 9 17

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17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
 

jerrab » 04 Nov 2025, 5:25 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2025, 5:25 pm

matthw 9 17

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17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

in other words don't  mix the new testament with the old testament.

Vegas » 03 Nov 2025, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2025, 1:08 pm

There are orthodox Jews in America and in Britain who vehemently condemn Israel. They practice true Judaism. They try to distant themselves from the actions of Israel claiming that Israel does not represent the true God in the bible. To them Israel is not from God. However, unfortunately there are not very many true Jewish Orthodox organizations, and most are too afraid to speak out.

not all jews are bad. my posts are directed to those in control.