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Mrkelly » 18 Nov 2025, 6:53 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2025, 6:53 pm

your first sentence reminded me of this 

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https://rall.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/1-17-24.jpg

it's just an opinion. No **** than yours...

DeezerShoove » 18 Nov 2025, 7:12 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2025, 7:12 pm

As I have said before, I used to think of Israel as OUR aircraft carrier parked in the ME.
Overpriced, mostly symbolic while able to fight back when provoked...  

That was years ago. Today it's an overpriced eyesore.

An overpriced eyesore that decides whogets to be our president. And who get to be our senators. And they own our media. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 18 Nov 2025, 8:35 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2025, 8:35 pm

An overpriced eyesore that decides whogets to be our president. And who get to be our senators. And they own our media.

Well, maybe it's our butthole that's sore...

jerrab » 18 Nov 2025, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2025, 12:29 pm

no trump supporter will ever say anything against him.

and he  knows this and takes full advantage of it.

Supporters of Trump lack the ability to engage in critical thinking, as they are deeply entrenched in a cult-like mentality.
 

Roshambo » 19 Nov 2025, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 8:46 am

Supporters of Trump lack the ability to engage in critical thinking, as they are deeply entrenched in a cult-like mentality.

sorry you are a POS hater

FJB » 19 Nov 2025, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 9:34 am

sorry you are a POS hater

 

1980    Reagan
1984    Reagan
1988    Bush Sr.
1992    Ross Perot
1996    Ross Perot
2000    Bush Jr.
2004    Bush Jr.
2008    John McCain
2012    Mitt Romney
2016    Donald Trump
2020    Donald Trump
2024    Donald Trump

Cannonpointer » 18 Nov 2025, 8:35 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2025, 8:35 pm

An overpriced eyesore that decides whogets to be our president. And who get to be our senators. And they own our media. 
 
 

I was educated to believe every brain has a choice and personal responsibility to understand living in plain sight equally alive daily here because life was self evident time being alive now exactly where one exists since conceived to replace their 30 prior specific ancestors that make up each great great grandchild's chromosomes in current DNA position populating space as results living in plain sight.

Your post declares humans don't have free will to choose right from wrong ways to be honest about being alive as specifically evolving in series parallel proximity since conception

Roshambo » 19 Nov 2025, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 8:46 am

Supporters of Trump lack the ability to engage in critical thinking, as they are deeply entrenched in a cult-like mentality.

so trump takes over the country, he forced the reps into signing the bbb by saying if they didn't he would tell all his supporters not to vote for them in the primaries, just like he threatened mtg.

jerrab » 19 Nov 2025, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 11:25 am

so trump takes over the country, he forced the reps into signing the bbb by saying if they didn't he would tell all his supporters not to vote for them in the primaries, just like he threatened mtg.

I am cognizant of Trump's behavior, and I cast my vote for him as well. To be frank, I believed he had gained insight from his initial term. In some respects, I feel let down; however, I do not regret my decision to vote for him.

Roshambo » 19 Nov 2025, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 11:28 am

I am cognizant of Trump's behavior, and I cast my vote for him as well. To be frank, I believed he had gained insight from his initial term. In some respects, I feel let down; however, I do not regret my decision to vote for him.

I respect your opinion but I think he is more power mad this time.

Roshambo » 19 Nov 2025, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 11:28 am

I am cognizant of Trump's behavior, and I cast my vote for him as well. To be frank, I believed he had gained insight from his initial term. In some respects, I feel let down; however, I do not regret my decision to vote for him.

so far this term

tariffs

bbb

cutting food to american pantries

gerrymandering to get more republican in congress who will do whatever he says.

Roshambo » 19 Nov 2025, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 11:28 am

I am cognizant of Trump's behavior, and I cast my vote for him as well. To be frank, I believed he had gained insight from his initial term. In some respects, I feel let down; however, I do not regret my decision to vote for him.

the big beautiful bill............................Mark.Sarah, it's so nice to have you back on the program. Help us understand this. How did some of these GOP members who were once committed die-hard no's suddenly get to yes?Sarah Longwell, Publisher, The Bulwark:It's actually very simple. Donald Trump demanded it, and they all fell in line.And it is actually a little bit stunning, because they were such firm no's when it came to the Senate version of this bill. And for some of the fiscal hawks, they were no's because it added somewhere between $4.1 trillion and $6 trillion to the debt. And then for the moderates, for some of those legislators, there was a real concern about the cuts to Medicaid.And so a lot of those legislators had said, absolutely not, we will not vote for this bill. And then Trump and J.D. Vance simply went to work on them, calling them and cajoling them and browbeating them. And there was a lot of peer pressure.And I think it's really become one of the pieces of orthodoxy now and the Republican Party even transcends the commitment to tax cuts is the commitment to doing whatever Donald Trump says you have got to do.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-r ... heir-minds

--------------------Sarah Longwell:

Well, there's a lot of forces that Donald Trump has unleashed on the country. One of them is sort of, I get mine and whatever happens to everybody else, well, they can sort of go pound sand.

That is how Donald Trump operates. And that's a bit what Lisa Murkowski did by getting a carve-out for Alaska on some of the pieces of the bill that she saw as the most harmful to people. And she was very clear that this was a bad bill and that it was going to do damage to a lot of people. It was going to take away SNAP benefits and Medicaid coverage to a lot of people who needed it.

And she basically fought to have her state exempt from those cuts. And in the horse-trading to get her on board, Alaska was spared some of the more deleterious elements of the bill. It was also just sort of the quintessential cowardice that you see in the Trump era from Republicans. They're afraid of Trump voters. They are — have sort of a "go along to get along" mentality when it comes to their colleagues, right?

They don't want to sort of — it's almost like cafeteria-style pressure, right? They don't want their colleagues to be mad at them. But she certainly had the power to stop it and chose not to.

jerrab » 19 Nov 2025, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 12:36 pm

so far this term

tariffs

bbb

cutting food to american pantries

gerrymandering to get more republican in congress who will do whatever he says.

all true, no denying it.
 

jerrab » 19 Nov 2025, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 12:44 pm

the big beautiful bill............................Mark.Sarah, it's so nice to have you back on the program. Help us understand this. How did some of these GOP members who were once committed die-hard no's suddenly get to yes?Sarah Longwell, Publisher, The Bulwark:It's actually very simple. Donald Trump demanded it, and they all fell in line.And it is actually a little bit stunning, because they were such firm no's when it came to the Senate version of this bill. And for some of the fiscal hawks, they were no's because it added somewhere between $4.1 trillion and $6 trillion to the debt. And then for the moderates, for some of those legislators, there was a real concern about the cuts to Medicaid.And so a lot of those legislators had said, absolutely not, we will not vote for this bill. And then Trump and J.D. Vance simply went to work on them, calling them and cajoling them and browbeating them. And there was a lot of peer pressure.And I think it's really become one of the pieces of orthodoxy now and the Republican Party even transcends the commitment to tax cuts is the commitment to doing whatever Donald Trump says you have got to do.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-r ... heir-minds

BBB is a disaster.   

You want a good one?

Trump Promised to Eliminate National Debt in Eight Years. Good Luck With That


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -with-that

 
 

jerrab » 19 Nov 2025, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 12:47 pm

--------------------Sarah Longwell:

Well, there's a lot of forces that Donald Trump has unleashed on the country. One of them is sort of, I get mine and whatever happens to everybody else, well, they can sort of go pound sand.

That is how Donald Trump operates. And that's a bit what Lisa Murkowski did by getting a carve-out for Alaska on some of the pieces of the bill that she saw as the most harmful to people. And she was very clear that this was a bad bill and that it was going to do damage to a lot of people. It was going to take away SNAP benefits and Medicaid coverage to a lot of people who needed it.

And she basically fought to have her state exempt from those cuts. And in the horse-trading to get her on board, Alaska was spared some of the more deleterious elements of the bill. It was also just sort of the quintessential cowardice that you see in the Trump era from Republicans. They're afraid of Trump voters. They are — have sort of a "go along to get along" mentality when it comes to their colleagues, right?

They don't want to sort of — it's almost like cafeteria-style pressure, right? They don't want their colleagues to be mad at them. But she certainly had the power to stop it and chose not to.

the most important statement said this century so far

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They're afraid of Trump voters. They are — have sort of a "go along to get along" mentality when it comes to their colleagues, right?

 

Roshambo » 19 Nov 2025, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 1:58 pm

all true, no denying it.

case in point
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President Donald Trump slammed Republican Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie for his opposition to the "big, beautiful bill" as the massive piece of legislation cleared one of its final hurdles Tuesday before it's anticipated to land on Trump's desk by the Fourth of July deadline.Trump told the media from Air Force One that he predicts Massie will be "history" come primary season. "He's going to have an opponent," Trump told the media from Air Force One Tuesday afternoon of Massie's upcoming primary next year. "He's going to have a big opponent, a good opponent, who's going to win. A poll just came out, and it showed anybody I endorse against Massie, Massie loses by 25 points. So he's he's gonna be history I think."I just don't think he does a good job for the country. He's always a no. I call him ‘Rand Paul Junior,’" Trump continued, referring to Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's opposition to the "big beautiful bill." "He's always a no. Nothing constructive at all, at all, I mean, just terrible. Thomas Massie from Kentucky, and nothing constructive. I don't think he's a very smart guy."TRUMP PRESSURES CONGRESS TO PASS 'BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL,' INSISTING 'NO ONE GOES ON VACATION UNTIL IT’S DONE'President Donald Trump predicted Rep. Thomas Massie is "history" come primary season.  (Win McNamee/pool/AFP via Getty Images; Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)Trump spoke to the media after landing back in the nation's capital following a short trip to the Florida Everglades to tour a new illegal immigrant detention center dubbed "Alligator Alcatraz." The Senate passed the "big, beautiful bill" while Trump was speaking at a roundtable at the detention center. Trump had rallied Republican lawmakers to pass the budget reconciliation bill since his inauguration, celebrating that it will advance his agenda on taxes, immigration, energy, defense and the national debt. The vast majority of Republican lawmakers voted in support of various versions of the bill, while a handful of Republicans such as Massie, Paul, North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis and Maine Sen. Susan Collins rejected supporting the legislation's passage. Massie, specifically, bucked supporting the legislation when it was in the House earlier in 2025 by citing it would add $20 trillion of federal debt over 10 years. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... es-passage
 

Roshambo » 19 Nov 2025, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 1:58 pm

all true, no denying it.

also-----


On Monday, President Trump posted on social media if an Indiana state lawmaker didn't support redistricting, he'll be "strongly endorsing against" them.----------------------/////
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gerrymandering
 

jerrab » 19 Nov 2025, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 2:30 pm

also-----

On Monday, President Trump posted on social media if an Indiana state lawmaker didn't support redistricting, he'll be "strongly endorsing against" them.----------------------/////
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gerrymandering

There's a district in Illinoise that spans 9 counties, Democrats invented gerrymandering, you silly girl.

jerrab » 19 Nov 2025, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Nov 2025, 2:30 pm

also-----

On Monday, President Trump posted on social media if an Indiana state lawmaker didn't support redistricting, he'll be "strongly endorsing against" them.----------------------/////
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gerrymandering

You are not embarrassing me at all. This is "Trump" being "Trump".