------------------------Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑ I can cut and paste as well:
AI OverviewYes, a flagless (stateless) vessel can be disabled, as any state may board, seize, or disable it, particularly if it refuses lawful orders or engages in illicit activities. Under international law, vessels are required to fly the flag of a state to establish national jurisdiction and protection, and a flagless vessel lacks this shield of sovereignty
Law Enforcement Action: Actions taken against a stateless vessel are considered law enforcement, not an act of war. This means standard international humanitarian law regarding armed conflict does not apply in the same way
Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:You lose
- Refuses lawful commands or inspection by authorities.
- Attempts to flee.
- Poses a threat to the enforcing personnel or other vessels.
- Is engaged in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking
nd now we know addressing what is inherently a law enforcement threat with wartime authority has led to an emerging scandal over a reported “double tap” strike that killed survivors of an initial attack, allegedly responsive to Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s directive to “kill them all.” Further investigation is necessary to establish the ground-truth of what may have been an illegal attack — even in the context of an armed conflict. But it is the invalid assertion of wartime attack authority that set the conditions for this latest scandal. Had this boat been dealt with through the law enforcement framework, there would not have been a first strike, much less the reported double tap.Nonetheless, at least two international law commentators have endorsed this theory of legality, specifically the legitimacy of treating the activities of narco-trafficking groups as an “armed attack” triggering the inherent right of self-defense. Another editorial asserted invocation of “wartime” legal authority represents an arguably logical evolution of international law.Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑ I can cut and paste as well:
AI OverviewYes, a flagless (stateless) vessel can be disabled, as any state may board, seize, or disable it, particularly if it refuses lawful orders or engages in illicit activities. Under international law, vessels are required to fly the flag of a state to establish national jurisdiction and protection, and a flagless vessel lacks this shield of sovereignty
Law Enforcement Action: Actions taken against a stateless vessel are considered law enforcement, not an act of war. This means standard international humanitarian law regarding armed conflict does not apply in the same way
Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:You lose
- Refuses lawful commands or inspection by authorities.
- Attempts to flee.
- Poses a threat to the enforcing personnel or other vessels.
- Is engaged in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking
This argument is premised on the theory that the administration’s interpretations of international law merely build upon previous invocations of analogous authority by the United States to engage in hostilities against non-state groups like al-Qaeda and the Islamic State.Like the administration’s legal invocation of the right of self-defense and that this situation constitutes an armed conflict, these opinions seek to push a legal square peg into an operational round hole. It is, of course, accurate to focus on an actual or imminent armed attack to justify military action in self-defense. This right is enshrined in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter and is an important aspect of customary international law. And while the meaning of armed attack — the trigger for self-defense — must be pragmatically responsive to emerging threats, its malleability is not unlimited. Indeed, by invoking the international legal language of self-defense, it is clear the United States has not abandoned the view that its use of military force must “fit” within an international legal framework. It is, however, the Trump administration’s effort to advance its policy agenda by continuing to distort what constitutes an armed attack that lies at the heart of the legal invalidity of this campaign.jerrab » 09 Dec 2025, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑ nd now we know addressing what is inherently a law enforcement threat with wartime authority has led to an emerging scandal over a reported “double tap” strike that killed survivors of an initial attack, allegedly responsive to Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s directive to “kill them all.” Further investigation is necessary to establish the ground-truth of what may have been an illegal attack — even in the context of an armed conflict. But it is the invalid assertion of wartime attack authority that set the conditions for this latest scandal. Had this boat been dealt with through the law enforcement framework, there would not have been a first strike, much less the reported double tap.Nonetheless, at least two international law commentators have endorsed this theory of legality, specifically the legitimacy of treating the activities of narco-trafficking groups as an “armed attack” triggering the inherent right of self-defense. Another editorial asserted invocation of “wartime” legal authority represents an arguably logical evolution of international law.
You are still here? Damn, you are one dense individual.jerra » wrote:------------------------Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑ I can cut and paste as well:
AI OverviewYes, a flagless (stateless) vessel can be disabled, as any state may board, seize, or disable it, particularly if it refuses lawful orders or engages in illicit activities. Under international law, vessels are required to fly the flag of a state to establish national jurisdiction and protection, and a flagless vessel lacks this shield of sovereignty
Law Enforcement Action: Actions taken against a stateless vessel are considered law enforcement, not an act of war. This means standard international humanitarian law regarding armed conflict does not apply in the same way
Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:You lose
- Refuses lawful commands or inspection by authorities.
- Attempts to flee.
- Poses a threat to the enforcing personnel or other vessels.
- Is engaged in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking
U.S. attacks on alleged narcotics trafficking boats continue unabated with little apparent concern for near-unanimous legal condemnation. The Trump administration justifies these attacks as an exercise of national self-defense against a non-state group engaged in armed conflict against the United States — two inherently defective legal assertions. The result is the targeting of drug cartels like Tren de Aragua with missile strikes. This is not bending the law, it is breaking it.A
Homegrown ones.. With Brainwashing.
Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:jerra » wrote:nd now we know addressing what is inherently a law enforcement threat with wartime authority has led to an emerging scandal over a reported “double tap” strike that killed survivors of an initial attack, allegedly responsive to Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s directive to “kill them all.” Further investigation is necessary to establish the ground-truth of what may have been an illegal attack — even in the context of an armed conflict. But it is the invalid assertion of wartime attack authority that set the conditions for this latest scandal. Had this boat been dealt with through the law enforcement framework, there would not have been a first strike, much less the reported double tap.Nonetheless, at least two international law commentators have endorsed this theory of legality, specifically the legitimacy of treating the activities of narco-trafficking groups as an “armed attack” triggering the inherent right of self-defense. Another editorial asserted invocation of “wartime” legal authority represents an arguably logical evolution of international law.Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑ I can cut and paste as well:
AI OverviewYes, a flagless (stateless) vessel can be disabled, as any state may board, seize, or disable it, particularly if it refuses lawful orders or engages in illicit activities. Under international law, vessels are required to fly the flag of a state to establish national jurisdiction and protection, and a flagless vessel lacks this shield of sovereignty
Law Enforcement Action: Actions taken against a stateless vessel are considered law enforcement, not an act of war. This means standard international humanitarian law regarding armed conflict does not apply in the same way
Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:You lose
- Refuses lawful commands or inspection by authorities.
- Attempts to flee.
- Poses a threat to the enforcing personnel or other vessels.
- Is engaged in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking
Burp Debate Game, Circle Jerkus Maximus..Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑ You are still here? Damn, you are one dense individual.
You lose.
Remind us to not throw you a lifesaver when you are clinging to flotsam for dear life, happiness, and the pursuit of cocaine sales like the Honduras POTUS Trump Pardoned DidHuey » 09 Dec 2025, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑ Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:They were. simply ensuring the boat was disable. I am starting to feel sorry for you now concerning the embarrassment you undergoing.
- Refuses lawful commands or inspection by authorities.
- Attempts to flee.
- Poses a threat to the enforcing personnel or other vessels.
- Is engaged in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking
Oh, you can have the last word if it includes what nation's flag thy terrorists are sailing under
====================WASHINGTON —
-----------------------------------The Pentagon did not respond to a request for comment. U.S. Special Operations Command declined to comment.The Pentagon has said 22 strikes on alleged drug boats have killed 86 people — 11 strikes have been in the Caribbean Sea and 11 in the eastern Pacific. The administration has produced no evidence supporting its allegations about the vessels or the people on board.On Thursday, Bradley spent more than eight hours on Capitol Hill briefing a dozen members of Congress and their staff about what happened during the operation. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Dan Caine, also attended the briefings.This account of Bradley’s detailed timeline and explanation of events throughout the Sept. 2 operation as told to lawmakers in the private briefings is based on interviews with the two U.S. officials and person familiar with the congressional briefings.Bradley told lawmakers that the orders he received from Hegseth were to kill the individuals on the approved target list, which included everyone on the boat, then destroy the drugs and sink the boat, those sources said.White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters on Monday that “Secretary Hegseth authorized Adm. Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes.” She added that Bradley “worked well within his authority and the law directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated.”Bradley told lawmakers the second strike killed the two survivors, but did not sink the boat, so he ordered a third and a fourth strike to complete the mission, the officials and person familiar with the congressional briefings said.Hegseth has said he observed the operation on Sept. 2 but “did not personally see survivors.” During a Cabinet meeting at the White House this past week, he defended the second strike, saying Bradley “made the right call.”“This is called the fog of war,” Hegseth said.During Bradley’s joint briefing Thursday with leaders of the House and Senate armed services committees, he was pressed about whether Hegseth gave an order to kill everybody on board, according to one of the U.S. officials and the person familiar with the briefing. Bradley, referencing the approved list of targets, said Hegseth told him to kill everyone on board and to destroy the vessel, the official and pers
JohnnyYou » 09 Dec 2025, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑ Homegrown ones.. With Brainwashing.
MAGA is an illness.. A virulent pandemic of hatred.. Thank Goodness they are pussies with their guns.
I've never told you what not to say, nor do I give a **** what kind of hypocrisy you post on a daily basis!jerrab » 09 Dec 2025, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑ your soul is doomed not saved. children did not attack on 10/7. who knows this? Christ knows this. you have no right to tell me not to say what Christ said. people like you want Christ to be ignored.
14 kids under 10, 25 people over 80: Up-to-date breakdown of Oct 7 victims we know about
Age, gender data for most civilian victims of Hamas onslaught, based on media tally, provides a picture authorities aim to complete as they continue efforts to identify bodies
By ToI Staff 4 Dec 2023
A soldier mans the makeshift mass casualty morgue at the Shura military base near Ramle, October 24, 2023.
Almost two months after the unprecedented Hamas onslaught on southern Israel, which left some 1,200 people dead, the exact data on those killed in the biggest terror attack in Israeli history is still shrouded in uncertainty.There have been efforts to compile the available data, particularly the number of babies, children, and elderly people murdered on October 7, even as several members of emergency organizations have been quoted giving imprecise information.Authorities have identified a total of 274 soldiers and 859 non-soldiers killed during the brutal assault. The latter figure includes 57 Israel Police officers and 38 local security officers. It is unclear which of these individuals were on duty when killed. Removing those victims leaves a figure of 764 civilians.
Dozens of Children Died in Hamas’ Oct. 7 Attack on Israel, Contrary to Online Claim
By Saranac Hale Spencer November 16, 2023
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozen ... ine-claim/
At least 29 children have been identified by international authorities as having died in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas. But a video, citing a post deleted by the World Jewish Congress, has been circulating online falsely suggesting that children didn’t die in the attack in Israel.
Israeli report: 38 children killed on October 7, thousands traumatized
The data reveals that on October 7, 38 children lost their lives, with three of them aged between 0 and 3 years old, and four between 3 and 6 years old
i24NEWS Mar. 03, 2024
The data reveals that on October 7, 38 children lost their lives, with three of them aged between 0 and 3 years old, and four between 3 and 6 years old. Additionally, 42 children were abducted in the Gaza Strip, including Kfir Bibas, who was kidnapped at 9 months old and celebrated his first birthday in captivity, along with his four-year-old brother Ariel.
Zeets2 » 09 Dec 2025, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑ I've never told you what not to say, nor do I give a **** what kind of hypocrisy you post on a daily basis!
Suppose you worry about YOUR soul and let ME worry about mine, huh asshole?
You think YOU'VE got a pipeline to the Almighty?
Just because YOU refuse to accept the facts regarding the Oct. 7th massacre by Hamas doesn't mean that I can't or won't! If you find grace in the slaughtering of the 1200 Jews they murdered then it's YOUR soul that needs to receive pity for where you'll end up.
And since you don't believe it, here again is the proof of the Hamas massacre that you no doubt will orgasm over:
---------------------------------------------Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑ Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:They were. simply ensuring the boat was disable. I am starting to feel sorry for you now concerning the embarrassment you undergoing.
- Refuses lawful commands or inspection by authorities.
- Attempts to flee.
- Poses a threat to the enforcing personnel or other vessels.
- Is engaged in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking
Oh, you can have the last word if it includes what nation's flag thy terrorists are sailing under
JohnnyYou » 09 Dec 2025, 3:06 pm » wrote: ↑ Remind us to not throw you a lifesaver when you are clinging to flotsam for dear life, happiness, and the pursuit of cocaine sales like the Honduras POTUS Trump Pardoned Did
Now you are just spamming.jerra » wrote:---------------------------------------------Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑ Disabling a vessel, including the use of lethal force in some circumstances, is legally permitted when a stateless vessel:They were. simply ensuring the boat was disable. I am starting to feel sorry for you now concerning the embarrassment you undergoing.
- Refuses lawful commands or inspection by authorities.
- Attempts to flee.
- Poses a threat to the enforcing personnel or other vessels.
- Is engaged in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking
Oh, you can have the last word if it includes what nation's flag thy terrorists are sailing under
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/0 ... s-00680679
Congress is using its marquee defense bill to force the Pentagon into turning over videos of strikes against suspected drug-smuggling boats off the coast of Latin America.Lawmakers plan to withhold a quarter of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s travel budget until the Pentagon provides them with the videos. The demand, quietly tucked into the final draft of the annual defense policy bill, calls for “unedited video of strikes conducted against designated terrorist organizations in the area of responsibility of the United States Southern Command” to the House and Senate Armed Services Committees.Congressional leaders released their final draft of the defense bill Sunday, which is expected to be approved — without changes — by the House later this week and then the Senate.The provision appeared as lawmakers look into a controversial follow-up strike on Sept. 2 that killed two survivors of an initial attack, an action some experts warn amounts to a war crime.Hegseth on Saturday wouldn’t say whether he would release the video, citing potential safety concerns for troops. But President Donald Trump has said he would have “no problem” doing so. The Pentagon chief has publicly backed the decision to kill the survivors, although said that Adm. Frank Bradley — head of U.S. Special Operations Command — made the final call on the second strike.Bradley and Joint Chiefs Chair Dan Caine last week briefed top lawmakers on national security committees and showed the unedited footage of the operation. But lawmakers disagreed about what the video revealed. Some top Republicans who viewed the unedited footage contend it vindicates the administration’s position. Democrats have called on the Pentagon to release it more broadly.Senate Armed Services Chair Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), following the briefing, also said he wants rank-and-file committee members to see the footage.
======================Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 2:35 pm » wrote: ↑ When you have proof of the order let me know. And under international law they were just ensuring the boat was disabled. Which is legal to do it the crew is engaged in illicit or illegal activities while sailing without a flag.
Who knows in a facist dictatorship? I could have a fishing pole and Hegseth would command "Death to the Libbie in the Kayak" In the middle of the Chesapeake Bay.Huey » 09 Dec 2025, 3:42 pm » wrote: ↑ Not something I need to worry about, moron. I will not be a terrorist running drugs on a stateless boat. You?