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how trump screwed the country's tax payers
how trump screwed the country's tax payers
By jerra b
20 Dec 2025 11:12 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
20 Dec 2025 2:52 pm
you have no idea what is going on even in your own head.nefarious101 » 20 Dec 2025, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑ you're a third worlder in the middle east....you have no idea what going on
trump ia scrambling to get the farmers vote after he screwed them over.
20 Dec 2025 2:59 pm
And here you are squirming to make farmers believe your intellectual soul is larger than their sole time ancestrally farming to sustain urban sprawl corrupting every human lived since dawn of civilization by dictatorship and democracy at the same time.jerra b » 20 Dec 2025, 3:52 pm » wrote: ↑ you have no idea what is going on even in your own head.
trump ia scrambling to get the farmers vote after he screwed them over.
20 Dec 2025 3:03 pm
*31stArrival » 20 Dec 2025, 3:59 pm » wrote: ↑ And here you are squirming to make farmers believe your intellectual soul is larger than their sole time ancestrally farming to sustain urban sprawl corrupting every human lived since dawn of civilization by dictatorship and democracy at the same time.
you are just an idiot.
20 Dec 2025 3:07 pm
He's the lard of babble!
20 Dec 2025 3:11 pm
jerrab » 20 Dec 2025, 3:52 pm » wrote: ↑ you have no idea what is going on even in your own head.
trump ia scrambling to get the farmers vote after he screwed them over.
why should any of us trust a third worlder....
you're probably just pissed off that we cut off some aid you were getting
20 Dec 2025 3:11 pm
------------------Making the same screw up twice and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity, the old saying goes.A fitting example?Try two chaotic, trade-busting Trump administrations that twice devastated America’s farm economy and twice required billions of dollars in taxpayer bailouts to farmers to fix this self-inflicted wound.The extraordinary farm aid packages: a total of $28 billion in Trump’s first term, another $12 billion (so far) in his second, are enormous amounts of money to compensate for making the same screwy tariff blunders and expecting different results.It’s insane. Sure, Ohio farmers welcomed the latest cache of what some call “Trump money” to get from this year to the next. But one told me it’s sad farmers have been backed into this corner.nefarious101 » 20 Dec 2025, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑ you're a third worlder in the middle east....you have no idea what going on
“What the Trump administration has done is left farmers with little choice but to come hat in hand to taxpayers for relief from the lost market share and sky-high input costs directly related to tariffs on steel, lumber, aluminum, repair parts and fertilizers farmers need to produce,” said Shelby County farmer Chris Gibbs.
Another producer likened the temporary “bridge” payments, announced last week, to a Band-Aid on an open wound.Farmers trying to stay afloat with weak exports, falling crop prices and all-time-high production costs want sane agricultural policy not government handouts for failed trade and tariff policies coming out of the White House.“We can’t keep hoping these short-term payments are going to restore viability to Ohio agriculture and restore economic certainty to farmer farmers in the state,” said Bryn Bird, president of the Ohio Farmers Union.
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/12/ ... s-bailout/
20 Dec 2025 3:12 pm
Bird, whose family has farmed produce for decades in Licking County, was adamant.
“We need actual farm policy and agricultural policy and rural policy that’s going to create change. We are still operating on a 2018 farm bill that was pre-pandemic and have no indication from the federal government that they are working toward any bipartisan measure. We were told the administration might do a ‘skinny farm bill’ to address at least some farming concerns but that didn’t happen.”Without significant changes enacted in an updated farm bill that finally addresses the mounting pressures on farmers, many won’t make it.
Shouldering ever higher farming prices to produce bumper crops for reduced demand and negative profit is crushing Ohio family farmers already operating on tight margins.This year has been incredibly stressful for them, Bird said.
They have much more to worry about than planting soybeans and selling them.Some, who need off-farm jobs to subsidize depressed farming incomes and have health insurance, can’t find affordable rural child care. Many self-employed farmers get their health care from the ACA marketplace, which is about to get a lot more expensive.Like millions of Americans, farmers running independent businesses brace for their premium costs to double or triple.ACA subsidies had lowered those costs but Republican majorities in Congress refused to extend them.Ohio farmers in their 60s who have not yet reached Medicare age are panicked, said Bird.
“I just talked to a farmer whose insurance premiums were $220 a month and now they are going up to $1,200.00. He said to me, ‘I can’t do it.’” Farmers priced out of health insurance may go without, but they cannot go without the banks that underwrite their farms, and those annual operating loans are facing increased scrutiny and denials.With American farm debt projected to hit a record $591.8 billion in 2025, driven by serious input costs (fertilizer, fuel, machinery, labor) and devalued commodity markets, the risk of repayment grows from those with no runway to pay off their debts.“The biggest thing I’m hearing now is how many farm loans are being denied,” Bird groaned. “Farm lenders are looking at turning away 40 to 60% of farm loans this coming year.”
“We need actual farm policy and agricultural policy and rural policy that’s going to create change. We are still operating on a 2018 farm bill that was pre-pandemic and have no indication from the federal government that they are working toward any bipartisan measure. We were told the administration might do a ‘skinny farm bill’ to address at least some farming concerns but that didn’t happen.”Without significant changes enacted in an updated farm bill that finally addresses the mounting pressures on farmers, many won’t make it.
Shouldering ever higher farming prices to produce bumper crops for reduced demand and negative profit is crushing Ohio family farmers already operating on tight margins.This year has been incredibly stressful for them, Bird said.
They have much more to worry about than planting soybeans and selling them.Some, who need off-farm jobs to subsidize depressed farming incomes and have health insurance, can’t find affordable rural child care. Many self-employed farmers get their health care from the ACA marketplace, which is about to get a lot more expensive.Like millions of Americans, farmers running independent businesses brace for their premium costs to double or triple.ACA subsidies had lowered those costs but Republican majorities in Congress refused to extend them.Ohio farmers in their 60s who have not yet reached Medicare age are panicked, said Bird.
“I just talked to a farmer whose insurance premiums were $220 a month and now they are going up to $1,200.00. He said to me, ‘I can’t do it.’” Farmers priced out of health insurance may go without, but they cannot go without the banks that underwrite their farms, and those annual operating loans are facing increased scrutiny and denials.With American farm debt projected to hit a record $591.8 billion in 2025, driven by serious input costs (fertilizer, fuel, machinery, labor) and devalued commodity markets, the risk of repayment grows from those with no runway to pay off their debts.“The biggest thing I’m hearing now is how many farm loans are being denied,” Bird groaned. “Farm lenders are looking at turning away 40 to 60% of farm loans this coming year.”
20 Dec 2025 3:13 pm
Most farmers typically take out operating loans at the start of growing season based on their projections, what they need to buy, seeds, inputs. When they grow and sell products, they pay off the operating loan and have their profit to reinvest in their farms or take home.At least that was the farm banking model, said Bird. But it didn’t account for the shambolic trade policies of two Trump administrations.Can banks manage that while holding hundreds of millions of dollars nationally in agricultural debt, she asked.The central Ohio farmer recalled a Republican congressman from the state telling distressed farmers they “just have to wait, that the Trump tariffs were going to be good for family farmers. What the farmers were saying back was, can you tell my bank that?” said Bird.“Will you call the bank and tell them just to wait; these policies are going to pay my bills?”
She fears more farm delinquencies and bankruptcies if short-term tariff bailouts replace long-term farm policy.
“When we were on Capitol Hill this fall demanding a farm bill, the banks were with us because if agriculture defaults, banks default and once that happens things start to cascade.”Bird hopes the country doesn’t get to that point.But twice Trump blew up trade deals that devastated the U.S. farm economy and twice he had to bail out farmers for the pain he caused.Unless Congress finds a spine, Trump’s farm policy will continue to be, well, the definition of insanity.
She fears more farm delinquencies and bankruptcies if short-term tariff bailouts replace long-term farm policy.
“When we were on Capitol Hill this fall demanding a farm bill, the banks were with us because if agriculture defaults, banks default and once that happens things start to cascade.”Bird hopes the country doesn’t get to that point.But twice Trump blew up trade deals that devastated the U.S. farm economy and twice he had to bail out farmers for the pain he caused.Unless Congress finds a spine, Trump’s farm policy will continue to be, well, the definition of insanity.
20 Dec 2025 3:18 pm
anything but the truth-- the trump rallying crynefarious101 » 20 Dec 2025, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑ why should any of us trust a third worlder....
you're probably just pissed off that we cut off some aid you were getting
20 Dec 2025 3:20 pm
No....you just aren't presenting anything of interest....great display of fake outrage tho
20 Dec 2025 3:21 pm
---------------------------------nefarious101 » 20 Dec 2025, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑ why should any of us trust a third worlder....
you're probably just pissed off that we cut off some aid you were getting
Key Issues for Missouri Farmers in Midterms
- Tariffs and Trade Policy: Trade wars, particularly with China, have severely impacted Missouri's top agricultural exports like soybeans. This has led to financial strain, making the reliability of the U.S. as a trading partner a major concern.
- Federal Aid: To offset losses from trade disputes, the federal government has provided billions in aid to farmers. While welcomed by some, this has also been a source of contention, with some farmers feeling "embarrassed" to rely on subsidies and critics highlighting issues with the distribution of funds to large farms.
20 Dec 2025 3:23 pm
nefarious101 » 20 Dec 2025, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑ No....you just aren't presenting anything of interest....great display of fake outrage tho
I have shown just what the farmers think.
20 Dec 2025 3:24 pm
--------------------------------------------nefarious101 » 20 Dec 2025, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑ No....you just aren't presenting anything of interest....great display of fake outrage tho
Key Issues for Missouri Farmers in Midterms
- Tariffs and Trade Policy: Trade wars, particularly with China, have severely impacted Missouri's top agricultural exports like soybeans. This has led to financial strain, making the reliability of the U.S. as a trading partner a major concern.
- Federal Aid: To offset losses from trade disputes, the federal government has provided billions in aid to farmers. While welcomed by some, this has also been a source of contention, with some farmers feeling "embarrassed" to rely on subsidies and critics highlighting issues with the distribution of funds to large farms.
also a dollar short and a day late
20 Dec 2025 3:31 pm
The farm has been operating for a century, they are plugged into all the AG groups.jerrab » 20 Dec 2025, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑ maybe there is an agency in one of the links I gave that can help.
20 Dec 2025 3:53 pm
jerrab » 20 Dec 2025, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑
- I CLAIMED THAT TRUMP JUST GAVE ARGENTINA $20 BILLION BECAUSE I AM A MENTALLY ILL LIAR...!!!
https://factually.co/fact-checks/financ ... ump-b91806
The U.S. did not simply “give” Argentina $40 billion under the Trump administration; the White House authorized a $20 billion Treasury currency-swap line and sought to mobilize an additional ~$20 billion from private banks and sovereign funds, producing headlines of a possible $40 billion package
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/truth-be ... feth-qoq9e
20 Dec 2025 3:54 pm
https://factually.co/fact-checks/financ ... ump-b91806Blackvegetable » 20 Dec 2025, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑ Blackvegetable » Today, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑
Today, 12:00 pm
Ghetto, I AM A MENTALLY ILL LIAR WHO CLAIMS TRUMP GAVE ARGENTINA 20BN DOLLARS AS A GIFT...!!!
Explain a "swap"...
The U.S. did not simply “give” Argentina $40 billion under the Trump administration; the White House authorized a $20 billion Treasury currency-swap line and sought to mobilize an additional ~$20 billion from private banks and sovereign funds, producing headlines of a possible $40 billion package
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/truth-be ... feth-qoq9e
20 Dec 2025 4:18 pm
----------------------------*GHETTOBLASTER » 20 Dec 2025, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑ https://factually.co/fact-checks/financ ... ump-b91806
The U.S. did not simply “give” Argentina $40 billion under the Trump administration; the White House authorized a $20 billion Treasury currency-swap line and sought to mobilize an additional ~$20 billion from private banks and sovereign funds, producing headlines of a possible $40 billion package
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/truth-be ... feth-qoq9e
- Criticism: The action drew criticism from some U.S. lawmakers and agricultural groups, who questioned the use of U.S. taxpayer money to bail out a foreign nation, especially a "serial defaulter" on its debt, while American farmers faced challenges from Trump's trade policies.
20 Dec 2025 4:25 pm
jerrab » 20 Dec 2025, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑ https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/pr ... ted-unfair Farmers who qualify for the FBA Program can expect payments to be released by February 28, 2026. Eligible farmers should ensure their 2025 acreage reporting is factual and accurate by 5pm ET on December 19, 2025. Commodity-specific payment rates will be released by the end of the month. Crop insurance linkage will not be required for the FBA Program; however, USDA strongly urges producers to take advantage of the new OBBBA risk management tools to best protect against price risk and volatility in the future.The remaining $1 billion of the $12 billion in bridge payments will be reserved for commodities not covered in the FBA Program such as specialty crops and sugar, for example, though details including timelines for those payments are still under development and require additional understanding of market impacts and economic needs.The $12 billion in farmer bridge payments, including those provided through the FBA Program, are authorized under the Commodity Credit Corporation (CCC) Charter Act and will be administered by the Farm Service Agency (FSA).To submit questions, justification for USDA farmer bridge aid, or to request a meeting on farmer bridge aid, producers can reach out to farmerbridge@usda.gov.“Four years under the failed Biden Administration continues to leave the American farm economy reeling from record inflation, a depleted farm safety net, and delayed disaster assistance. The lack of new trade deals under the last Administration turned a trade surplus under Trump into a $50 billion trade deficit,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nope china did not buy from american farmers because of TRUMP'S tariffs.
so american farmers lost all their income.
Hey you medis fed bish, can you pull anything out of your *** besides ****? Do you need an enema?
20 Dec 2025 4:36 pm
https://factually.co/fact-checks/financ ... ump-b91806
- jerrab » Today, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑
Today, 12:28 pm
- I CLAIMED LIKE A LYING *** MONKEY THAT TRUMP JUST GAVE ARGENTINA $20 BILLION BECAUSE I AM A MENTALLY ILL LIAR...!!!
The U.S. did not simply “give” Argentina $40 billion under the Trump administration; the White House authorized a $20 billion Treasury currency-swap line and sought to mobilize an additional ~$20 billion from private banks and sovereign funds, producing headlines of a possible $40 billion package
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/truth-be ... feth-qoq9e
20 Dec 2025 4:38 pm
STFU you stupid media fed ****!jerrab » 20 Dec 2025, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑ gblaster said farming was a hobby. as much food as america eats it all comes from hobby farms............
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