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Blackvegetable » 22 Dec 2025, 8:01 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Dec 2025, 8:01 pm

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AI Overview
Yes, the attribution is highly credible. The still image used in the documentary 
Where's My Roy Cohn? is a legitimate, widely-cited photograph taken by Mariette Pathy Allen. 

This photo purports to be of donald trump. It is clearly not even close. Why does AI pretend to be stupid and further the lie that captions the photo?

AI systems do not intentionally "pretend to be stupid" or lie; rather, their failure to correctly identify individuals in images stems from technical limitations in how they process data and interpret context.
 
When an AI encounters an image with a misleading caption—such as a photo of someone who is clearly not Donald Trump—it often fails for the following reasons:
1. Priority of Text over Visual Data
Many AI models prioritize "multimodal" consistency, meaning they try to reconcile what they see with what they are told. If a caption explicitly labels an image, the AI may "hallucinate" a match because its objective is to find patterns that support the provided text rather than to debunk it. 
2. Technical Sensitivity to Image Quality
AI image recognition is highly sensitive to environmental and technical variables that humans ignore. Factors that can cause a "fail" in identification include: 

• Lighting and Angle: Changes in shadows or a non-frontal "profile" view can significantly reduce accuracy.
• Occlusion: If parts of a face are even slightly obscured, the AI may fail to identify the person or mistakenly match them to a prominent figure it has more data on.
• Resolution: Low-quality or compressed images (common on hosting sites like Postimg) provide fewer data points for the AI to analyze, leading to "best guess" errors. 

3. Training Data Bias
AI models are trained on massive datasets where certain public figures (like Donald Trump) are overrepresented. This creates a "gravity" effect: when an AI is uncertain about an identity, it is statistically more likely to suggest a famous individual it "knows" well than to admit it does not recognize the person. 
4. Lack of True "Understanding"
Unlike humans, AI does not have a concept of "truth" or "identity." It operates on probability and pattern matching. It sees a collection of pixels and assigns a probability score to a name. If a misleading caption is present, it can artificially inflate that probability score, leading the AI to confirm a false statement because it lacks the common sense to see the obvious mismatch. 
5. Adversarial Exploitation
Some images are intentionally modified with "adversarial" noise—pixel-level changes invisible to humans but designed to trick AI into a specific misidentification. This can cause the AI to confidently "see" a celebrity where none exists. 
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 14 Jan 2026, 7:42 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 7:42 pm

This photo purports to be of donald trump. It is clearly not even close. Why does AI pretend to be stupid and further the lie that captions the photo?

AI systems do not intentionally "pretend to be stupid" or lie; rather, their failure to correctly identify individuals in images stems from technical limitations in how they process data and interpret context.
 
When an AI encounters an image with a misleading caption—such as a photo of someone who is clearly not Donald Trump—it often fails for the following reasons:
1. Priority of Text over Visual Data
Many AI models prioritize "multimodal" consistency, meaning they try to reconcile what they see with what they are told. If a caption explicitly labels an image, the AI may "hallucinate" a match because its objective is to find patterns that support the provided text rather than to debunk it. 
2. Technical Sensitivity to Image Quality
AI image recognition is highly sensitive to environmental and technical variables that humans ignore. Factors that can cause a "fail" in identification include: 

• Lighting and Angle: Changes in shadows or a non-frontal "profile" view can significantly reduce accuracy.
• Occlusion: If parts of a face are even slightly obscured, the AI may fail to identify the person or mistakenly match them to a prominent figure it has more data on.
• Resolution: Low-quality or compressed images (common on hosting sites like Postimg) provide fewer data points for the AI to analyze, leading to "best guess" errors. 

3. Training Data Bias
AI models are trained on massive datasets where certain public figures (like Donald Trump) are overrepresented. This creates a "gravity" effect: when an AI is uncertain about an identity, it is statistically more likely to suggest a famous individual it "knows" well than to admit it does not recognize the person. 
4. Lack of True "Understanding"
Unlike humans, AI does not have a concept of "truth" or "identity." It operates on probability and pattern matching. It sees a collection of pixels and assigns a probability score to a name. If a misleading caption is present, it can artificially inflate that probability score, leading the AI to confirm a false statement because it lacks the common sense to see the obvious mismatch. 
5. Adversarial Exploitation
Some images are intentionally modified with "adversarial" noise—pixel-level changes invisible to humans but designed to trick AI into a specific misidentification. This can cause the AI to confidently "see" a celebrity where none exists.

You know what's annoying?

I waded through that and it is nearly as stupid as the **** from @Vegas  ...

You can't write prompts, don't understand how AI came to an unqualified conclusion, and refuse to grasp that it didn't do so by attempting to "recognize"  the subjects.

Cheddy got his taint punted by @*MankyLittleSkidmark, ffs.
 

Blackvegetable » 14 Jan 2026, 7:50 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 7:50 pm

You know what's annoying?

I waded through that and it is nearly as stupid as the **** from @Vegas  ...

You can't write prompts, don't understand how AI came to an unqualified conclusion,

Gonna stop ya there. 

I wrote my prompt PERFECTLY. AI admitted that it is - as you freudian slip - UNQUALIFIED to judge the photograph.

It relied on the reputation of the liars to sustain the lie, because it is not capable of SEEING it is a lie.

That was the admission which I formulated my query to elicit, shmook.
 

Cannonpointer » 14 Jan 2026, 7:54 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 7:54 pm

Gonna stop ya there. 

I wrote my prompt PERFECTLY. AI admitted that it is - as you freudian slip - UNQUALIFIED to judge the photograph.

It relied on the reputation of the liars to sustain the lie, because it is not capable of SEEING it is a lie.

That was the admission which I formulated my query to elicit, shmook.

It means it did not qualify its conclusion.


without reservation or limitation; total."the experiment was not an unqualified success"

You **** illiterates 

Blackvegetable » 14 Jan 2026, 7:50 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 7:50 pm

You know what's annoying?

I waded through that and it is nearly as stupid as the **** from @Vegas  ...

You can't write prompts, don't understand how AI came to an unqualified conclusion, and refuse to grasp that it didn't do so by attempting to "recognize"  the subjects.

Cheddy got his taint punted by @*MankyLittleSkidmark, ffs.

      God your narcissism. It just kills you to know that I am better than you. 

You don't know AI. Don't be so **** bitter and envious about it.

Blackvegetable » 14 Jan 2026, 7:58 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 7:58 pm

It means it did not qualify its conclusion.

without reservation or limitation; total."the experiment was not an unqualified success"

You **** illiterates

You poor girl. You didn't get the hint from the freudian slip reference that I understood your intended usage?

You are one thick stooge for a fellow who claims to have matriculated. 
 
You are also stupid for thinking my query clumsy, given it produced precisely the admission I sought. 

Let's face it, square. You're stupid. Or at least mediocre. 
 

Cannonpointer » 14 Jan 2026, 8:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:18 pm

You poor girl. You didn't get the hint from the freudian slip reference that I understood your intended usage?

You are one thick stooge for a fellow who claims to have matriculated. 
 
You are also stupid for thinking my query clumsy, given it produced precisely the admission I sought. 

Let's faceit, square. You're stupid. Or at least mediocre.

He is bitterly envious of me. He knows I can whip him in math, AI, language, writing, and pretty much everything else that requires an IQ over 90. 

Vegas » 14 Jan 2026, 8:20 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:20 pm

He is bitterly envious of me. He knows I can whip him in math, AI, language, writing, and pretty much everything else that requires an IQ over 90.

I'd like to force to two of you into a cage match where your only weapons are interpretive dance. 

He would have the advantage of having completed multiple courses in lesbian studies. But you'd be given tap shoes with a hidden shiv. 
 

Cannonpointer » 14 Jan 2026, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:21 pm

I'd like to force to two of you into a cage match where your only weapons are interpretive dance. 

He would have the advantage of having completed multiple courses in lesbian studies. But you'd be given tap shoes with a hidden shiv.

   He would be envious of me after that match also.   

Vegas » 14 Jan 2026, 8:24 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:24 pm

   He would be envious of me after that match also.

He would be dead.

Or you both would be. 

Remember, this is MY fantasy. 


Great glutes, by the way. You busy Saturday?
 

Cannonpointer » 14 Jan 2026, 8:25 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:25 pm

He would be dead.

Or you both would be. 

Remember, this is MY fantasy. 

Great glutes, by the way. You busy Saturday?

He would never fight anyone unless he was in a position to sucker punch them. 

Cannonpointer » 14 Jan 2026, 8:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:18 pm

You poor girl. You didn't get the hint from the freudian slip reference that I understood your intended usage?

You are one thick stooge for a fellow who claims to have matriculated. 
 
You are also stupid for thinking my query clumsy, given it produced precisely the admission I sought. 

Let's face it, square. You're stupid. Or at least mediocre.

Don't I stand chastened, eh?

Vegas » 14 Jan 2026, 8:20 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:20 pm

He is bitterly envious of me. He knows I can whip him in math, AI, language, writing, and pretty much everything else that requires an IQ over 90.

You trading funnies?

Blackvegetable » 14 Jan 2026, 8:37 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:37 pm

You trading funnies?

Of course, you have to frame it as a question. **** control freak. 

Vegas » 14 Jan 2026, 8:39 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:39 pm

Of course, you have to frame it as a question. **** control freak.

Just love to see you evading.


 

Vegas » 22 Dec 2025, 4:52 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Dec 2025, 4:52 pm

Since BV only reads like 5 words, this is way too long for him, so I will break it down:

VF made an editorial assertion, not a caption based on evidence. In other words, neither BV nor VF can prove that it is Trump any more than it can be proved that it isn't. 

**** moron. 

Didn't AI tell you that BV is the only person in the entire Universe who believes this is a photo of Trump...?      
 

Blackvegetable » 14 Jan 2026, 8:42 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:42 pm

Just love to see you evading.

Projection. LOL.    More like you love to see yourself hiding. It's all you know how to do. 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 14 Jan 2026, 8:42 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:42 pm

Didn't AI tell you that BV is the only person in the entire Universe who believes this is a photo of Trump...?    

He will always think it's Trump. He isn't smart enough to see otherwise. He is also way too attached to this pic. He isn't ready to endure the emotional void that he will suffer if it is gone.

Blackvegetable » 14 Jan 2026, 8:35 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 8:35 pm

Don't I stand chastened, eh?

You stand dumb-founded, chinaman. 

Well, found dumb, any way. 

Cannonpointer » 14 Jan 2026, 7:42 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2026, 7:42 pm

This photo purports to be of donald trump. It is clearly not even close. Why does AI pretend to be stupid and further the lie that captions the photo?

AI systems do not intentionally "pretend to be stupid" or lie; rather, their failure to correctly identify individuals in images stems from technical limitations in how they process data and interpret context.
 
When an AI encounters an image with a misleading caption—such as a photo of someone who is clearly not Donald Trump—it often fails for the following reasons:
1. Priority of Text over Visual Data
Many AI models prioritize "multimodal" consistency, meaning they try to reconcile what they see with what they are told. If a caption explicitly labels an image, the AI may "hallucinate" a match because its objective is to find patterns that support the provided text rather than to debunk it. 
2. Technical Sensitivity to Image Quality
AI image recognition is highly sensitive to environmental and technical variables that humans ignore. Factors that can cause a "fail" in identification include: 

• Lighting and Angle: Changes in shadows or a non-frontal "profile" view can significantly reduce accuracy.
• Occlusion: If parts of a face are even slightly obscured, the AI may fail to identify the person or mistakenly match them to a prominent figure it has more data on.
• Resolution: Low-quality or compressed images (common on hosting sites like Postimg) provide fewer data points for the AI to analyze, leading to "best guess" errors. 

3. Training Data Bias
AI models are trained on massive datasets where certain public figures (like Donald Trump) are overrepresented. This creates a "gravity" effect: when an AI is uncertain about an identity, it is statistically more likely to suggest a famous individual it "knows" well than to admit it does not recognize the person. 
4. Lack of True "Understanding"
Unlike humans, AI does not have a concept of "truth" or "identity." It operates on probability and pattern matching. It sees a collection of pixels and assigns a probability score to a name. If a misleading caption is present, it can artificially inflate that probability score, leading the AI to confirm a false statement because it lacks the common sense to see the obvious mismatch. 
5. Adversarial Exploitation
Some images are intentionally modified with "adversarial" noise—pixel-level changes invisible to humans but designed to trick AI into a specific misidentification. This can cause the AI to confidently "see" a celebrity where none exists.

So AI is basically trash?