24 Jun 2020 8:56 am
I have been unable to find resources on the timeline for US mortality/excess deaths. Wikipedia only shows a chart based on excess mortality from Chile, so we can use that as a proxy (as the outbreak was far deadlier in South America compared to North America).RollingRock » 13 Jun 2020, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑ In three months time? Do you have a link of reference?
People's lives are more important than the economy.
If we need to, absolutely. The trick is getting it right the FIRST time (which we did not do).
Of course. And I prioritize American lives first.
Excess mortality spike lasted from July 1957 to January 1958 - 6 months time.
The time is actually not as relevant as you think because the total number of deaths follows a logistic, not an exponential, curve. As time progresses, the total # of deaths will sizzle out, unless a "second wave" comes (which it will, whether we lockdown or not - and if anything, I would argue the inability of the lockdown to prevent a "second wave" is actually strong evidence against the lockdown itself).
Unfortunately, as your typical American is very math-impaired, he or she probably googled "exponential function" without truly understanding the 10th grade math behind it, and then posted hysterically all over social media about how "5 billion ppl are going to be infected and 100 million dead!" with silly charts if we didn't do everything the Karens demanded.
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This is another point, which I predicted you would make, that has made you an unwitting supporter of Wall Street's agenda, which I hope you will re-evaluate in light of everything that's happened (given that you are clearly a Bernie Sanders supporter, I doubt you are a big fan of Wall Street)."People's lives are more important than the economy."
The "economy" is not just Wall St's earning reports (which are largely fabricated anyway with non-GAAP numbers - thank the SEC for standing by and letting Wall St criminals loose), Goldman Sachs/other banks front-running Treasury bonds...it is every transaction that enables ordinary people to make a living.
When you tell people living paycheck to paycheck that they CANNOT go and earn $$$ to support themselves, you are aiding in the working class' destruction. You are also allowing Wall Street to impoverish Main Street small businesses, many of which have already gone bankrupt and will no longer serve as competition to Wall Street economic gangsters.
Now I can already see some objections you will raise, and I will address them now:
1. "We can just give the people money, like UBI/unemployment payments/etc."
True, but that's not going to last forever. Since I am not a "libertarian" or "conservative," I don't object to cash transfers (under certain circumstances when people actually need them), but I will tell you, as anyone who understands basic economics does, that this is supposed to be TEMPORARY. It cannot last forever, unless you want the price of staples to skyrocket 500%.
Sooner or later, people will go back to work when what meager savings or government transfers they have dries up...and...the virus will circulate again.
See why I'm not a fan of "lockdowns?"
2. "It's not the working class' fault that they live paycheck to paycheck. It's the system's fault."
OK, so how is shutting down the economy going to help?
It doesn't matter whether you live in a capitalist or socialist system, someone needs to do the labor, or the goods/services won't exist.
A shortage of goods/services is not going to help the working class - in fact, a shortage means only the RICH can afford to pay for those higher prices.
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What exactly should we have done differently?If we need to, absolutely. The trick is getting it right the FIRST time (which we did not do).
And before you even think about it, please do not scapegoat the "lockdown protestors," as they were a very small minority.
If your plan fails because < 0.1% of the population refuses to comply, your plan was destined to fail anyway, as no plan achieves 100% compliance.
I'm also curious as to whether you think the George Floyd inspired "protests" are responsible for the resurgence in Covid cases, and whether we need to disperse THOSE protestors as they are undoubtedly facilitating the spread of the virus with a vengeance.
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I do as well. Unfortunately, the lockdowns have destroyed many lives, so I surely hope the lockdowns will not happen again.Of course. And I prioritize American lives first.
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