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31 Dec 2021 5:01 pm
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LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 5:19 am » wrote: ↑ I dream of meritocracy?  I believe your mind reading skills have failed again.  lol.

Any way, I researched the history passed 1900.  No US government control whatsoever.  The US did give them free money which was squandered SOMEHOW. This was a Guatemalan issue with American investors and outside US jurisdiction or control.  They actually did a tremendous service for Guatemala at very high personal financial risk.  They succeeded partially in making the risk pay off.  But eventually it was all mute.  They got scammed in a Bernie Madoff type financial con and lost everything.  They left Guatemala with a railroad and a thriving banana industry though.  That's something.  Up to the year 1900 there is ZERO indication they were exploitive as you put it.  And certainly UF didn't "control" the US economy.  That's a laughable statement.

Not up to me to judge whether their elected officials were corrupt or legitimate leaders.  That's an internal issue and they are a sovereign nation.  So they should weigh in on that.  Not my place.
Stop trying to make assumptions about what I think lol.. you don't get the point I I trying to express. 

My point is that power is just power and no matter what system of government you have it will boil down to elites ruling with absolute power and imposingbtheir values upon the world. 

This was understood and pointed out as long ago as the mid 19th century by political philosophers such as Pareto.

liberal democracy is merely a tactic of hiding who the true power is.. if the state does not rule the economy then the economy will rule the state.. elected officials will be puppets of monied power who rule via bribery.. 

The idea that you can ever possibly impose laws on the elite and that they will follow it is naive and it is an illusion the elite want you to have because it makes you easier to govern. There is less unrest.. people will volunteer in the armed forces etc.
 
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