30 Jun 2024 4:57 pm
Well divide and conquer is a stratagem older than history, whenever facing a daunting population. The romans used this effectively against the gauls...and my ow ancestors used it against native American tribes.DeezerShoove » 30 Jun 2024, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑ A quick search on Wiki (the most trusted site in the universe) corroborates a lecture series on Russia that I watched.
This map is supposedly conditions in the 8th century. The Rus were a Nordic people who moved along the river trade routes and planted roots. Kiev is part of the mix. This fits with your comments as well.
Part of the reason I started the thread (much to my partner's chagrin) was because maps like this were bandied about in justification of a Palestinian prior ownership. Jews were to be ousted simply because their entire state of Israel is on a former Palestinian kingdom.
The clarity you and CP (rabid as he is...) lend to the argument is good for me.
Maybe some of it will resonate with others.
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I find it interesting that Ukie supporters don't bring up the 8th century origins.
As you said they are the same people but for political boundaries and an 80-year-old narrative.
Essentially you just create and foster some fake kind of nationalism pretending people are very different when in reality they are not.
Anyone who wants to focus on differences should more immediately mention the difference between zelensky, a jew, and the ukranians he claims to rule. In fact, zelensky himself mocked ukranians in his 'cassocks be gay' comedy music video.
indeed the difference between Russians and ukranians is at least as trivial as the difference between Cherokee and creek...especially when both were facing the invasion of the British empire.
I personally am impressed by how easily tricked normal people are by arbitrary focus on trivial differences...but the opposite is also going too far. One should not conclude that because Russians and ukranians are far more similar than they are different that therefore all humans would thrive in the same environment...because the difference between jew and Palestinian is actually significant, unlike Russian versus ukranian.