24 Jan 2022 10:49 pm
Wikipedia gives the basic relevant facts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissoluti ... viet_Union
But it doesn't properly interpret these facts or put them in context because that would come to very politically incorrect conclusions.
A polity cannot continue to exist if it lacks obedience from soldiers willing to kill or die for it. That is the very heart of politics. And the most direct reason the ussr fell apart is because soldiers lost obedience...so okay...how did it get there?
First of all..no it had little or nothing to do with 'socialism.' It isn't because soldiers desperately wanted American fashion products. Economic issues were not listed as major grievances against the ussr by its constituent states.
As you can see from the facts,, the problem was nationalism.. starting eith Estonia which...when that failed to be crushed by the state, caused a chain reaction among other ethnic groups...Lithuanian, Ukrainian, etc.
you see...early bolshevism tried to sell itsself as an 'international' movement. You are not Estonian you are a worker. You are not Ukrainian you are a worker. Etc. By the removal of distinct national identities the bolsheviks could hope for total world domination (in contrast to fascism which, because it seeks to accent the national identity, can only occupy land where those people live)
unfortunately, uniting people under the fake and ideological 'worker' identity simply did not work. Because it is fake. You fail to produce good soldiers or good workers and nothing works at all when people are supposed to be obedient to a fake identity...the identity of nation with its unique histories, language, and culture simply cuts too deep. Therefore Stalin decided to try convincing all the various ethnicities within the ussr that they are Russian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification
This was largely a reaction to the tremendous success of fascism in the 1930s.
the problem is...Estonians are not Russian. Hitler could annex Austria because Austrians actually are basically just German. But Estonians...and certainly not poles....are nothing like Russians.
Therefore diversity caused the collapse of the ussr...just like diversity caused the collapse of the western Roman empire (because visigoths simply were not roman)
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Cannonpointer Jan 24, 2022, SJConspirator Jan 24, 2022
Go to original post on Jan 24, 2022 7:50am
But it doesn't properly interpret these facts or put them in context because that would come to very politically incorrect conclusions.
A polity cannot continue to exist if it lacks obedience from soldiers willing to kill or die for it. That is the very heart of politics. And the most direct reason the ussr fell apart is because soldiers lost obedience...so okay...how did it get there?
First of all..no it had little or nothing to do with 'socialism.' It isn't because soldiers desperately wanted American fashion products. Economic issues were not listed as major grievances against the ussr by its constituent states.
As you can see from the facts,, the problem was nationalism.. starting eith Estonia which...when that failed to be crushed by the state, caused a chain reaction among other ethnic groups...Lithuanian, Ukrainian, etc.
you see...early bolshevism tried to sell itsself as an 'international' movement. You are not Estonian you are a worker. You are not Ukrainian you are a worker. Etc. By the removal of distinct national identities the bolsheviks could hope for total world domination (in contrast to fascism which, because it seeks to accent the national identity, can only occupy land where those people live)
unfortunately, uniting people under the fake and ideological 'worker' identity simply did not work. Because it is fake. You fail to produce good soldiers or good workers and nothing works at all when people are supposed to be obedient to a fake identity...the identity of nation with its unique histories, language, and culture simply cuts too deep. Therefore Stalin decided to try convincing all the various ethnicities within the ussr that they are Russian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification
This was largely a reaction to the tremendous success of fascism in the 1930s.
the problem is...Estonians are not Russian. Hitler could annex Austria because Austrians actually are basically just German. But Estonians...and certainly not poles....are nothing like Russians.
Therefore diversity caused the collapse of the ussr...just like diversity caused the collapse of the western Roman empire (because visigoths simply were not roman)
2 Nominations
Cannonpointer Jan 24, 2022, SJConspirator Jan 24, 2022
Go to original post on Jan 24, 2022 7:50am