3 Feb 2022 7:05 am
[quote="SJConspirator" post_id=1933833 time=1643786490 user_id=2188]
It doesn’t work for the same reason that libertarianism doesn’t work, it is naive. People will always conspire, Cheat, work to gain advantage and leverage on others. Power just is, and power corrupts.
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there is no political philosophy that is 100% wrong. They all contain a grain of truth...they HAVE to, or they wouldnt be persuasive.
What marxists get correct is that there IS a serious threat of private ('bourgeois') power.
state power is the only thing that even has the potential to defy money power. And that is the purpose of a state in the first place: to protect the people it represents from organizations stronger than they are. Not all states successfully DO THAT (ours does not)...but that is their PRIMARY purpose. No doubt. Any state that fails is illegitimate.
the fact the USA is so vulnerable to attack from money and an entrenched cooperate minority is made clear by looking at the history of the italian mafia. They were even able to enter the political circle...for example mayor of providence rhode island.
If the mafia could do that...made up of bootstrapping poor italians who were just engaged in semi organized criminal profits...just imagine what an entrenched ethnocentric people who had overwhelming control over banks and the media could accomplish? (did accomplish).
In contrast...if the USA were ruled by a queen isabella...neither the mafia nor any other private power could have ever acquired much power. Queen isabella would be very illiberal, of course...but then so is mafia power...so the idea you have a better choice is just an illusion.
like yes...power always exists...and power vacuums are always filled. You cannot eliminate all power by simply taking power from the state. The only relevant question is who has power? If you are an italian you might have good reason to appreciate that the italian mafia has power...but when it was taken over by jews (sheldon adleson, top trump donor, had such a legacy)...italian americans moved back to italy. Power of course is a threat to any individual but your best option is this: the person in power is on your side.
As a white man i would of COURSE prefer that white people had the power in this country. Then crap like affirmative action and race shaming children would cease to exist real fast. And this need not be an ethics question at all...i would prefer it simply because i am white. black activist trying to encroach upon my nation would then be mere adversaries. I would not need to consider them evil or inferior...just adversaries. Just like it wasnt necessary to call native americans evil or inferior. In contrast, an ostensibly LIBERAL country is FORCED to label its adversaries evil or inferior...because liberalism is founded on the illusion of moral superiority. All the freaks who consider this attitude 'white supremacist' are simply projecting their own political priors onto me.
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It doesn’t work for the same reason that libertarianism doesn’t work, it is naive. People will always conspire, Cheat, work to gain advantage and leverage on others. Power just is, and power corrupts.
[/quote]
there is no political philosophy that is 100% wrong. They all contain a grain of truth...they HAVE to, or they wouldnt be persuasive.
What marxists get correct is that there IS a serious threat of private ('bourgeois') power.
state power is the only thing that even has the potential to defy money power. And that is the purpose of a state in the first place: to protect the people it represents from organizations stronger than they are. Not all states successfully DO THAT (ours does not)...but that is their PRIMARY purpose. No doubt. Any state that fails is illegitimate.
the fact the USA is so vulnerable to attack from money and an entrenched cooperate minority is made clear by looking at the history of the italian mafia. They were even able to enter the political circle...for example mayor of providence rhode island.
If the mafia could do that...made up of bootstrapping poor italians who were just engaged in semi organized criminal profits...just imagine what an entrenched ethnocentric people who had overwhelming control over banks and the media could accomplish? (did accomplish).
In contrast...if the USA were ruled by a queen isabella...neither the mafia nor any other private power could have ever acquired much power. Queen isabella would be very illiberal, of course...but then so is mafia power...so the idea you have a better choice is just an illusion.
like yes...power always exists...and power vacuums are always filled. You cannot eliminate all power by simply taking power from the state. The only relevant question is who has power? If you are an italian you might have good reason to appreciate that the italian mafia has power...but when it was taken over by jews (sheldon adleson, top trump donor, had such a legacy)...italian americans moved back to italy. Power of course is a threat to any individual but your best option is this: the person in power is on your side.
As a white man i would of COURSE prefer that white people had the power in this country. Then crap like affirmative action and race shaming children would cease to exist real fast. And this need not be an ethics question at all...i would prefer it simply because i am white. black activist trying to encroach upon my nation would then be mere adversaries. I would not need to consider them evil or inferior...just adversaries. Just like it wasnt necessary to call native americans evil or inferior. In contrast, an ostensibly LIBERAL country is FORCED to label its adversaries evil or inferior...because liberalism is founded on the illusion of moral superiority. All the freaks who consider this attitude 'white supremacist' are simply projecting their own political priors onto me.
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[size=200][b][color=#aaaaaa]1[/color] Nomination[/b][/size]
[url=https://liberalforum.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2188]SJConspirator[/url] [size=85]Feb 01, 2022[/size]
[url=https://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1934121#p1934121]Go to original post on Feb 02, 2022 12:31pm[/url]
[url=https://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1934184#p1934184]Go to nomination on Feb 02, 2022 1:28pm[/url]