9 Jan 2023 6:22 pm
(Continued)
Libertardian: [Reroutes discussion back to the topic of "debasing currency"]
So you are OK with the government STEALING from you and other citizens? Because that's essentially what they are doing, but you seem more concerned about "lolibertarians" than this blatant theft.
Me: I'm just going to write a wall of text that precludes at least your next 3 arguments to save time.
#1...it's not "the government" stealing from me. Please stop with this lolibertarian nonsense about "the government."
"The government" is just a concept...a very useful one to be sure, but hidden behind the veils of legal statues, titles, delegated authorities, 3 letter agencies with tall fancy buildings, etc. are PEOPLE.
In other words, it's not "the government" stealing from me, it's actual people doing the stealing.
It's no different than if...say, some **** *** corporation in an oligopolistic/monopolistic market (like AT&T/Verizon or your local ISP, your local utility) charges you 3x what you would pay in a "competitive market." Or if PayPal refutes your chargeback dispute despite the fact you were the one ripped off.
It's not "the corporation" stealing from you, it's the people who authorized the theft. And those people typically consist of a board of directors doing the bidding of institutional investors like BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, etc.
Knowing "who" these people are is absolutely critical.
#2...society by its nature is hierarchical. People closer to the top of the "food chain" almost always have "more resources" and more privileges Allocated to them.
One of these privileges is...yep, you guessed it, printing money.
If you're some peon worker bee (or, god forbid, "middle class"...which just means you're just a glorified paper pusher/office drone/corporate servant hoping to retire in your 60s instead of 80s...) you get almost no resources/almost no privileges.
So assuming you are not close to the top, you WILL be ripped off by the PEOPLE you work for (usually the corporation/business owners skims at least 30% of the total value that you provide, sometimes even more) and then you pay income, FICA, sales, property, etc. while "billionaire job creators" like Elon Musk get to claim
"carbon credits" coz they are "saving the planet" by mining and processing cobalt, aluminum, iron, etc. in Africa LOL
So when you say, "the government steals from me"...that is the destiny/fate of a peon in the middle or bottom. It WILL HAPPEN no matter what type of society you desire to live in.
Don't like this arrangement? Blame your ancestors for being weak/not being able to rise in the hierarchy or not being able to extricate themselves entirely by living off grid/creating their own little paradise/their own hierarchy.
#3: "Printing money" is not in itself evil. It depends on WHO is printing the money and what the money is used for...
Every functioning society has some form of money AS MADE LEGAL TENDER BY LAW (money = law) unless we're talking about some communist utopia where everything is "free"/the work is done by robots...in which case money could be made obsolete but I don't think that's possible since "they" will just own the robots and pacify you with drugs/processed foods/circus while you sleep 4 in a single bedroom like illegal immigrants from Cen/South America because nobody but the oligarchs will have anything to their name at that point.
Because money is one of the primary domains of government, government(s) WILL "print the money" whenever they want to. Your only hope is that the money they print will be used to benefit you (directly or indirectly) instead of SIPHONED OFF to some group inimical to your interests (or even longevity).
Libertardian: [Reroutes discussion back to the topic of "debasing currency"]
So you are OK with the government STEALING from you and other citizens? Because that's essentially what they are doing, but you seem more concerned about "lolibertarians" than this blatant theft.
Me: I'm just going to write a wall of text that precludes at least your next 3 arguments to save time.
#1...it's not "the government" stealing from me. Please stop with this lolibertarian nonsense about "the government."
"The government" is just a concept...a very useful one to be sure, but hidden behind the veils of legal statues, titles, delegated authorities, 3 letter agencies with tall fancy buildings, etc. are PEOPLE.
In other words, it's not "the government" stealing from me, it's actual people doing the stealing.
It's no different than if...say, some **** *** corporation in an oligopolistic/monopolistic market (like AT&T/Verizon or your local ISP, your local utility) charges you 3x what you would pay in a "competitive market." Or if PayPal refutes your chargeback dispute despite the fact you were the one ripped off.
It's not "the corporation" stealing from you, it's the people who authorized the theft. And those people typically consist of a board of directors doing the bidding of institutional investors like BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, etc.
Knowing "who" these people are is absolutely critical.
#2...society by its nature is hierarchical. People closer to the top of the "food chain" almost always have "more resources" and more privileges Allocated to them.
One of these privileges is...yep, you guessed it, printing money.
If you're some peon worker bee (or, god forbid, "middle class"...which just means you're just a glorified paper pusher/office drone/corporate servant hoping to retire in your 60s instead of 80s...) you get almost no resources/almost no privileges.
So assuming you are not close to the top, you WILL be ripped off by the PEOPLE you work for (usually the corporation/business owners skims at least 30% of the total value that you provide, sometimes even more) and then you pay income, FICA, sales, property, etc. while "billionaire job creators" like Elon Musk get to claim
"carbon credits" coz they are "saving the planet" by mining and processing cobalt, aluminum, iron, etc. in Africa LOL
So when you say, "the government steals from me"...that is the destiny/fate of a peon in the middle or bottom. It WILL HAPPEN no matter what type of society you desire to live in.
Don't like this arrangement? Blame your ancestors for being weak/not being able to rise in the hierarchy or not being able to extricate themselves entirely by living off grid/creating their own little paradise/their own hierarchy.
#3: "Printing money" is not in itself evil. It depends on WHO is printing the money and what the money is used for...
Every functioning society has some form of money AS MADE LEGAL TENDER BY LAW (money = law) unless we're talking about some communist utopia where everything is "free"/the work is done by robots...in which case money could be made obsolete but I don't think that's possible since "they" will just own the robots and pacify you with drugs/processed foods/circus while you sleep 4 in a single bedroom like illegal immigrants from Cen/South America because nobody but the oligarchs will have anything to their name at that point.
Because money is one of the primary domains of government, government(s) WILL "print the money" whenever they want to. Your only hope is that the money they print will be used to benefit you (directly or indirectly) instead of SIPHONED OFF to some group inimical to your interests (or even longevity).