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Huey » 10 May 2014 9:04 am » wrote: Citizens United, and the concept of unions, organizations, and yes, corporations which are all discussed in citizens united says that a group of people do not lose their rights because they are part of an organization. GE is not a person. A Union is not a person. But those that comprimise the group are. And they do not lose their rights because they formed a group.

Groups have no rights. Only people have rights.

The founders premised rights on the concept that they were bestowed exclusively on humanity, by the Creator.

This means that no rights enter the world except by the birth of another human. Creating a group does not bestow rights.

Therefor, your claim that GROUPS are exercising INDIVIDUAL rights is dishonest, since it relies on the pretense that everyone IN the group is aligned.

Using your example - G.E., - we have a group that is comprised of millions of people from diverse walks of life - many of whom purchased their "membership in this union, group or corporation" through an index fund. Not even a retarded child would presume 100% agreement between so many folks. Therefor, many in that group are in active disagreement with what industry lobbyists push.

To pretend folks in active disagreement what's being pushed are being "exercising their individual rights," and that outlawing lobbying would "violate their individual rights," is either stupid, dishonest, or both.