johndnorth » 11 Feb 2023, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑
Putin said he invaded to eliminate Nazis. Biden said what we would do depended on how much land Putin annexed. Putins first group of 250,000 mobilized were not trained, had to buy some of their own equipment, were issued WW2 equipment and ballistic vests that were next to useless. Helmets were WW2 that had a modern camo. cover, and rusty and sometimes inoperable AK,s were issued. These men were immediately sent to hold the line. Mobilized were cannon fodder but the line held. Wagner group recruited from Russia prisons. These people were promised a pardon if they survived 6 months on the line. Recruits from prison included sex offenders and many had Hep C and other diseases. Wagner has been using human wave attacks with prisoners in the battles around Bakhmut. Anyone retreating from the line were shot by Wagner regulars. Many of these prisoners surrendered to the Ukrainians. Vlad is now mobilizing an additional 500,000. Civilians were evacuated from Crimea after Ukrainians blew the Kertch bridge and Putin is now building heavy duty fortifications there. Putin does not care how many Russians are killed to further his goals. The only thing stopping Putin is the corruption and incompetence of his Army commanders and the unexpected fierce resistance of the Ukrainians. IMO Putin will succeed because of the attrition of Ukrainian forces. Negotiations will end the carnage. Putin is not going to quit.
like I said say nato cannot join nato and agree to a couple of other things, including not arresting people because they are russian sympathetic. that is what the nazis did, arrest people on trumped up charges.
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https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... e-n1290831
Russia has grown concerned again about Ukraine for a number of reasons. Analysts like Lieven and Beebe point out that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has taken a number of sharp measures to eradicate Russian influence in Ukraine recently by doing things like banning the use of Russian language in schools and state institutions, shutting down Kremlin-linked television stations and arresting some of the most prominent Russo-sympathetic leaders in the country — all while cooperating on the ground with NATO. Russia read this as a sign that Kyiv was throwing its lot in with the U.S. and the prospect of an agreement ensuring autonomy for the separatist-held Donbas region, crucial to Russia’s plan to thwart Ukraine’s NATO entry, might be dead.
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it may have taken 5 minutes to negotiate a peace deal, so much easier to say the US will give weapons to Ukraine,