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FOS » 05 Oct 2021, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2021, 2:41 pm

this attitude you have is based on a lot of unspoken assumptions. First of all...i suppose that any conservative would agree with me that the real issue is that democrats are attempting to make fraudulent votes eaiser. they literally want illegals to vote and have representation on congress. Pushing back against such an agenda is not 'attacking voting rights'...it is literally just an attempt to make us citizenship matter. You only assume that this cannot be the real story cause you assume dems are the good guys...its programming. You have been brainwashed.

Second...you are assuming voting matters. This is not the case. Consider, for example, Iron dome funding passed by 420+ vs 9. Your champion AOC didnt even vote against it. US funding a foreign military is never going to be challenged no matter who you vote for. We are only allowed to argue about trivial stuff and the real goal of voting is for it to be as close as possible to 50/50 so that fools continue to think a real debate is happening and their vote matters.

Meanwhile it is cute that you are tying this to civil rights...because you are also brainwashed into believing that only 'minorities' (soon to be the majority) can possibly be oppressed. But there is zero racial discrimination in the letter of any law in the USA, except against white people. Affirmative action is explicitly anti white. Nothing is anti black nor any mestizo etc. This is just a plain fact...but you simply assume it doesnt matter because of your anti white priors.

 

FOS » 05 Oct 2021, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2021, 2:52 pm

furthermore... consider this. 

The vast majority of voters simply vote based on their identity. They don't give a fk about policy or arguments. White men will vote for Republicans and black ppl will vote Democrat. That is all.

It is basically nothing more than a demographic head count. No validity of the argument matters. 

ThereFore I see nothing wrong with voter suppression. If vote suppression explicitly happened I could find no ethical problem with it...because voters are only involved in a race war...they don't care or think about the future.

Seeing as how your responses above are of SOMEWHAT more substance than the usual more obviously racist drive-bys and personal attacks by those of your counterparts (though still of similar mentalities), I decided to give them more attention than my initial replies.

1. Democrats aren't attempting to make fraudulent votes easier. They're trying to make it easier for those who are QUALIFIED to vote, to DO so.  I don't see where there is anything wrong with that. Whereas REPUBICANS have openly admitted that THEY wouldn't win a single election if more people voted.  Their agenda IS to undermine the right to vote.  And it not only includes id requirements that pose difficulties mostly for those unlikely to vote for them, but closing and moving polling places (in mostly minority neighborhoods) gerrymandered districts that assure them wins even with fewer votes, and opposition to mail in voting - a way of voting that Republicans have been using (to their advantage) for decades.  And that's not all. In many states legislation has been crafted that allows Republicans to throw out and overrule electors, and CHANGE voter outcomes THEY don't like.

2. I don't "assume" Democrats are the good guys. I look at what each side has to offer, and what their platforms, ideologies, and support bases (i.e. their CONSTITUENCIES) portend for ALL Americans, and I choose the lesser of two "evils."  And in MY view, there is NO mystery as to which side that IS.

3. Voting MATTERS. It sure as hell seems to matter to Republicans. And I find it disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

4. I don't have to "tie" the right to vote to civil rights. It IS A CIVIL RIGHT. And outcomes can have significant impacts upon the civil rights of MANY.  Again you offer a bogus argument about "zero racial discrimination in the 'letter' of the law" in a disingenuous attempt to whitewash disparities in which laws ARE APPLIED.  And speaking of assuming YOU are wrong to  ASSume that I have anti-white priorities. I have ANTI HATE, ANTI DISCRIMINATION, priorities. I find it interesting how you, in one breath, dismiss the quite obvious intent and effect of voter suppression laws, then in the next, claim Affirmative Action is EXPLICITLY "anti-white."

5. While many voters may indeed vote based upon their identity it happens to BE that identity (or more accurately, who or what policies or arguments they identify with) that motivates their vote. White people vote Democrat, and if Republicans weren't always demonizing minorities and engaging in economic policies that enrich the wealthy at the expense of the middle class and the working poor, maybe more Black people would vote for them as well. 

You may be surprised to know that a great many voters, and Black voters in particular, are WELL informed about what their priorities are, and WHO their enemies are.

6. And finally, your last paragraph pretty much says it all about your position, in spite of all you've written before it, DOES IT NOT?  You wrote: "I see nothing wrong with voter suppression. If vote suppression explicitly happened I could find no ethical problem with it...because voters are only involved in a race war...they don't care or think about the future."

So, in effect, you're okay with denying CERTAIN Americans their RIGHT TO VOTE, via voter suppression, and have "no ethical problem with it" because, in your mind, it's not about RETROGRESSIVE POLICIES, FASCISM, AUTHORITARIANISM, THE STOKING OF HATE AND WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGY...

NOT about OUR FUTURE or that of AMERICA'S future as a democracy of inclusiveness and empathy for ALL AMERICANS?.... it's just a "race war."

Really??? Just a "race war" to people not earning a livable wage? to people on Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare (MANY of them Republicans) who NEED that kind of support? Just a "race war" to people depending on child nutrition services, to those needing pandemic relief, extended unemployment benefits, protection from evictions? Just a "race war" to those burdened by crushing student debt, to the miiddle class who still can't make ends meet because Trump's and the GOP's bogus-assed Tax Break was in reality a break MAINLY FOR THE FILTHY RICH? 

A "race war" to victims of racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, misogyny, sexual assault, unequal pay for women, bounty hunters looking for women who dare to choose their family options? A "race war" for members of the LGBTQ community who have to face various forms of discrimination on a daily basis?

A "race war" for consumers in need of protection from predatory lending practices, and for those seeking fair housing and lending practices?  A race war for people who are tired of disparate treatment by law enforcement?

I could name MORE of those issues you claim people don't care about... but I think I've MADE MY POINT.