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jerrab » 09 Feb 2022, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2022, 3:26 pm

right now nato is the chief cause of problems from russia, ironic,.

all they have to do is say that ukraine won't join nato, the answer is so simple.

https://euobserver.com/world/154316

Russian president Vladimir Putin said Monday (7 February) in Moscow that leaving Nato membership open to Ukraine risked war in Europe, in a message addressed to the French people and French president Emmanuel Macron.

It WAS that simple. The current facts on the ground are these: neither NATO NOR Ukraine are ready for that alliance. The government of Ukraine was installed against the wishes of its people by the United States in 2014.  As a result, Ukraine is an endemically corrupt state led by neo-nazis and entirely corrupted by the biden family et al - an undemocratic coup-government that is failing in real time and does not represent the people.

So there's that - NATO doesn't want those problems. 

Then there's Ukraine. The "government" knows that its INDIVIDUAL members will be badly treated in the Russian gulag, at best, if they TRY to join NATO. Russia can and will roll to the Polish border, in that event - and they will take prisoners.

So there's that - Ukraine isn't petitioning for admission.

So, "We promise not to induct Ukraine - signed, NATO" is no longer a solution. Especially given the history of such promises (google "Poland"). Russia has a rapidly failing state on its border, placed there by adversaries, specifically constituted by anti-Russians to oppose Russian interests at every turn. Putin cannot let that stand - any more than we could let an astro-turf, Chinese-made, anti-U.S. Mexican government stand. It's a Gordian Knot. Someone, somewhere, at some point, is gonna have to take a sword to it. 

Or some tank divisions, if not...

The best possible solution is reform from within, driven by pressure from without. But that's a five leaf clover, right there. A veritable hen's tooth.

My money is on tanks.