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Vegas » Today, 12:36 pm » wrote: Trying to debate a liberal, especially one like BV, is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it’ll just knock over the pieces, poop on the board, and strut around like it won.
I have yet to come across a liberal who can actually debate. I think the reason this is so is because most liberals do not have a core set of values.

If I were a liberal and wanted to engage in honest debate, I would first define my core set of values. It would be something like this:
  • I favor collectivism over individualism - this means that, as a nation, all citizens must have the same culture and core understanding of what is important (note, this is inconsistent with open immigration)
  • While I believe in reward based on merit, I do not believe that should translate to a dollar-for-dollar pay-off for those more capable than others.
  • Society must have a "safety net" for people who cannot survive or thrive on their own.  The safety net should be set at............(some defined amount)
  • I favor reward over punishment.  This means I do not believe in penalizing any criminal with incarcerations greater than 5 years. And, we should put a lot of resources in rehabilitating those who break our laws.
  • I favor some totalitarian laws over freedom.  This means that as a nation, recreational drug use can't be tolerated.  Speech must be regulated.  Lethal defense of self cannot be permitted. 
  • Rape and murder are just other crimes, for which punishment cannot exceed 5 years. Also, like England, once criminals complete their punnishment, they will be given new identities and jobs which will allow them to survive and start over.
So, if a liberal really does have a core set of values, not just political positions as defined by Progs and Democrats, they would be able to debate more effectively.  The biggest problem is that the political positions of Progs and Democrats are a hodgepodge of highly inconsistent political positions.  They try to be too inclusive for purely political reasons.  This makes what they say contradictory, hypocritical and easy to defeat in a genuine debate.
 
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