Singapore: The Bell They Cannot Unring Post #6502 • Liberal Forum

Cannonpointer » 29 Jul 2014 5:25 am » wrote:Capitalism did not invent the free market. Indeed, it is the sworn enemy of it. Free markets existed long before Adam Smith was born. Capitalism is an economic model run by employees, on the capital of absentee owners - capital that could not be agglomerated except by exchanges licensed and regulated by government. FREE ENTERPRISE is an economic model run by owner-investors who risk their OWN capital with no assistance from government.

Authoritarian capitalism (the less regulation upon it, the more authoritarian it becomes) relies on the government gun to foist itself on populations.

That's Crony Capitalism, which anyone advocating Free Market Capitalism opposes.

Left to their own devices, South and Central Americans vote for a free market, rather than capitalism.

When did countries ever vote for the free market in Latin America, moonbat?

But the capitalists pretend that free markets are "socialism," and they get their servants in our government to topple elected governments and force authoritarian capitalism on their populations. A recent example of capitalist over-reach occurred in Bolivia, where Bechtel cornered the market on WATER by way of the government gun. Bechtel's wholly owned puppet government simply made a law declaring Bechtel owner of every drop of the stuff, making it a crime for a peasant to put out a rain barrel or drink from a creek. The result was a popular tide in favor of a Coca farmer named Evo Morales, whom election riggers failed to keep from office, and who has implemented free markets - or, "instituted a brutal socialist regime with no respect for private property," in neocon parlance.Our country would not have let this go unpunished, but for two land wars in Asia occupying its attention.[/size]

Morales is a leftist, moonbat, even according to Wiki.

The folks singing Singapore's praises present themselves as "conservatives." But they did not even LOOK at capitalism's effect on their latest, greatest Shangri La's human population before festooning a brutal slave pit with the mantle of freedom. Conservatives look before they leap; reactionaries and progressives leap before they look.

Singapore is authoritarian, so it almost certainly rigs the system to a considerable degree in favor of the elites, but it went from dirt poor to prosperous, even for the average citizen.

So I consider it to be a partial success, hopefully on the way to fully free markets.

You stupidly consider it to be a failure. So they should go back to being dirt poor? Duuuh.

The reactionary neocons on this board wil hee haw and gee gaw and slap their knees and shout hosanna for the stupidest, least-vetted **** ideas imaginable, and still pretend to be conservatives. REAL conservatives - a rare bird these days - are against rashly signing off on ANY new idea, no matter how pleasantly-wrapped and spun by professional ad-men hired to serve the interests of capital and subvert the interests of ordinary workers. Thoughtful and methodical examination of ANY policy change is in the conservative wheel house - pretty much IS the conservative wheel house. Hoo-rahing for any proposition Heritage packages for the Sunday chats is the province of neocon stooges, not conservatives. Genuine Conservatism is ANY nation's necessary steadying hand, without which the ship of state is likely to run aground.

I again express my regret for your deepening psychosis.

That's why the founders picked the British East India Company's vessel as their target in the Boston Tea Party: Because they understood that their fight was against that corrosive capitalist engine as much as it was against the British Crown, and that their historical imperative was to free their nation's market from that anti-human machine.

Bulls***. They rebelled against both the lawless authority of the Crown, against the special favors it granted by royal fiat and against Crony Capitalism, which you dishonestly label "Capitalism."

The debunked pretense that capitalism desires or even tolerates free markets is given the lie by the Singapores and the Chiles of this world. The "freer" capital, the more the PEOPLE are enslaved.

I advocate both as models of hugely important, but partial reform, not as the ultimate goal, which is fully free Capitalism.

You advocate Socialism, almost the opposite of Free Market Capitalism.

And you'll tell wild lies about anything less.