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Yet no one here, including the poster who made that comment, will reveal what the entirely arbitrary burden is.  Perhaps someone will elucidate.

And have no fear.  There is not a  PG thread.

Huey » 10 Feb 2026, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 2:59 pm

Yet no one here, including the poster who made that comment, will reveal what the entirely arbitrary burden is.  Perhaps someone will elucidate.

And have no fear.  There is not a  PG thread.

I imagine there are many who can't provide evidence of citizenship due to whatever factors, a much larger portion of them just refuse to do so.

The wife had a Colorado driver's license back in the early 90's, when we moved to Colorado recently, she had to jump through some hoops with her new last name. While a pain in ***, the paper trail is there.

A quick AI search produced this:

Approximately 1 in 10 (roughly 11% or over 20 million) adult U.S. citizens do not have a current, government-issued photo ID, according to voter ID studies by the Brennan Center for Justice and VoteRiders. Data suggests 2.6 million people (about 1%) lack any form of government-issued photo ID entirely, while others have ID that does not meet strict state requirements. 

Impact on Voting: As many as 11% of eligible voters lack the specific ID required by strict state laws.


 Demographic Disparities: The lack of ID is disproportionately higher among Black adults (21%), Hispanic adults (23%), and transgender people (68%).


 Barriers to Access: Roughly 15-18 million adults do not have easy access to necessary documentation like birth certificates or citizenship documents, hindering their ability to obtain an ID.


 Regional & Economic Factors: Roughly 39% of individuals with annual incomes under $30,000 do not have a license with their current name/address.

 Real ID Status: In some states, fewer than 70% of residents have a compliant Real ID, and in some, that rate is less than 50%. 

 Those at the highest risk of lacking ID include low-income individuals, racial minorities, seniors, and students. 
 
 

Dont forget the issue with residents not living near a kinkos to make copies lol

Who would want some jackass voting that doesn't have enough intelligence to get an ID?

RebelGator » 10 Feb 2026, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:00 pm

Who would want some jackass voting that doesn't have enough intelligence to get an ID?

Let's be honest, Trumps claims of rigged and stolen are true, voter ID will not fix the "flipping of votes". 
 

Fuelman » 10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm

I imagine there are many who can't provide evidence of citizenship due to whatever factors, a much larger portion of them just refuse to do so.

The wife had a Colorado driver's license back in the early 90's, when we moved to Colorado recently, she had to jump through some hoops with her new last name. While a pain in ***, the paper trail is there.

A quick AI search produced this:

Approximately 1 in 10 (roughly 11% or over 20 million) adult U.S. citizens do not have a current, government-issued photo ID, according to voter ID studies by the Brennan Center for Justice and VoteRiders. Data suggests 2.6 million people (about 1%) lack any form of government-issued photo ID entirely, while others have ID that does not meet strict state requirements.

AI lies.

You have to know a hundred people. How many of them are sad sack losers that do not have ID?

Fuelman » 10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm

Impact on Voting: As many as 11% of eligible voters lack the specific ID required by strict state laws.

 Demographic Disparities: The lack of ID is disproportionately higher among Black adults (21%), Hispanic adults (23%), and transgender people (68%).

How dey buy dey jin and joose?

Fuelman » 10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm

 Barriers to Access: Roughly 15-18 million adults do not have easy access to necessary documentation like birth certificates or citizenship documents, hindering their ability to obtain an ID.

 Regional & Economic Factors: Roughly 39% of individuals with annual incomes under $30,000 do not have a license with their current name/address.

 Real ID Status: In some states, fewer than 70% of residents have a compliant Real ID, and in some, that rate is less than 50%.

A state ID is enough. You don't have to board a plane to vote. MAYBE some dude in alaska - but he has his own plane and the lake is his airport. 

Fuelman » 10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 4:32 pm

 Those at the highest risk of lacking ID include low-income individuals, racial minorities, seniors, and students.

EXACTLY the people we don't want voting.

Someone tell me what the problem is.
 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:02 pm

Let's be honest, Trumps claims of rigged and stolen are true, voter ID will not fix the "flipping of votes".

Essentially, you are saying if we cannot plug EVERY hole, why bother toplug ANY hole. 

I disagree. 

I DO agree with this, though:

RebelGator » 10 Feb 2026, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:00 pm

Who would want some jackass voting that doesn't have enough intelligence to get an ID?

 

Cannonpointer » 10 Feb 2026, 6:24 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:24 pm

Essentially, you are saying if we cannot plug EVERY hole, why bother toplug ANY hole. 

I disagree. 

I DO agree with this, though:

If you agree with that, I say no voting for Dumb ****, and that right there eliminates @RebelGator s voting status.

What I agree is as follows: 

The issue with this argument is that time and time again, voter photo ID laws are proven to be ineffective tools to fight voter fraud — in the rare instances it does take place. While voter photo ID laws aim to prevent in-person voter impersonation, an almost non-existent form of voter fraud, other types of voter impersonation are similarly rare and not cause for significant concern. According to the Brennan Center, the rate of in-person voter impersonation is extremely low: only 0.00004% of all ballots cast. It’s worth noting that this rate is even significantly lower than other rare forms of voter fraud, such as absentee ballot fraud, which voter photo ID laws do not address.  

Once again, it the system is "rigged" as Trump has claimed, no stopping it, voter ID or not. The BIGGEST hole needs to be plugged, first.
What you have to ask yourself is do you believe the **** coming out of Trump's mouth. That **** got Ashli Babbitt killed.

 
 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:31 pm

If you agree with that, I say no voting for Dumb ****, and that right there eliminates @RebelGator s voting status.

Well, I certainly am not going to defend that boy's tiny brain. I WILL point out that his line is farther back than yours, as requiring ID would not eliminate him from the voter pool as it will Rogerius and Delanamore.

And if we're honest, those guys aren't supposed to be voting anyway, in many states. I don't know the numbers, but I know ex-cons are prohibited from voting in many states. If you're black and not in jail, you're an ex-con. 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:31 pm

What I agree is as follows: 

The issue with this argument is that time and time again, voter photo ID laws are proven to be ineffective tools to fight voter fraud — in the rare instances it does take place. While voter photo ID laws aim to prevent in-person voter impersonation, an almost non-existent form of voter fraud, other types of voter impersonation are similarly rare and not cause for significant concern. According to the Brennan Center, the rate of in-person voter impersonation is extremely low: only 0.00004% of all ballots cast. It’s worth noting that this rate is even significantly lower than other rare forms of voter fraud, such as absentee ballot fraud, which voter photo ID laws do not address.  

Once again, it the system is "rigged" as Trump has claimed, no stopping it, voter ID or not.

Well, just intuitively, I am sure there isvery little impersonation at the polls. You would have to know the guy you are impersonating, know where he votes, and know he isn't voting. So we're back to the ID requirement keeps stupid **** from voting

All good.
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Feb 2026, 6:44 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:44 pm

Well, I certainly am not going to defend that boy's tiny brain. I WILL point out that his line is farther back than yours, as requiring ID would not eliminate him from the voter pool as it will Rogerius and Delanamore.

And if we're honest, those guys aren't supposed to be voting anyway, in many states. I don't know the numbers, but I know ex-cons are prohibited from voting in many states. If you're black and not in jail, you're an ex-con. 

Well, just intuitively, I am sure there isvery little impersonation at the polls. You would have to know the guy you are impersonating, know where he votes, and know he isn't voting. So we're back to the ID requirement keeps stupid **** from voting

All good.

What you have to ask yourself is do you believe the allegations in regards to a rigged and stolen election. That **** got Ashli Babbitt killed.
 
 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 6:49 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:49 pm

What you have to ask yourself is do you believe the allegations in regards to a rigged and stolen election. That **** got Ashli Babbitt killed.

I am 100% certain the election was stolen. It was OBVIOUSLY stolen. But I certainly respect your right to believe that an old man hiding in his basement got more votes than Barrack Obama. I disagree with your position that Joe Biden was a more attractive candidate than Obama, but I respect the right of both you and your unicorn to believe that preposterous hogworsh. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Feb 2026, 7:36 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 7:36 pm

I disagree with your position that Joe Biden was a more attractive candidate than Obama, but I respect the right of both you and your unicorn to believe that preposterous hogworsh.

Not a clue what you are babbling about, seriously.

 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 7:56 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 7:56 pm

Not a clue what you are babbling about, seriously.

Oh, I believe you. 

If you think the 2020 election was honest, I am confident that your capacity for basic comprehension is severely impaired.
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Feb 2026, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 8:00 pm

Oh, I believe you. 

If you think the 2020 election was honest, I am confident that your capacity for basic comprehension is severely impaired.

Provide verifiable proven evidence the election was rigged and stolen. As of yet, I haven't seen any. 
Before you start in on Mail In Voting...

Out of 250,000,000 votes cast by mail between 2000 and 2020, there were 193 criminal convictions. By those numbers, a person is more likely to be struck by lightning than they are to commit voter fraud. Further, there are already measures in place to detect irregularities and investigate potential cases of voter fraud, making the need for further legislation even smaller. 


https://i.postimg.cc/rpc6tN7f/200w-(3).gif
 
 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 8:01 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 8:01 pm

Provide verifiable proven evidence the election was rigged and stolen. As of yet, I haven't seen any.

I disagree with your position that Joe Biden was a more attractive candidate than Obama, but I respect the right of both you and your unicorn to believe that Biden was very simply the most exciting candidate in US history, with more votes than any other candidate in any other election. 

I COMPLETELY understand that you believe Biden got millions more votes than Obama. Completely. 

And I certainly would not try to come between you and your pet unicorn that sold you that bill of goods. 

Hell, even Biden told us what was happening. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0

Cannonpointer » 10 Feb 2026, 8:08 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 8:08 pm

I disagree with your position that Joe Biden was a more attractive candidate than Obama, but I respect the right of both you and your unicorn to believe that Biden was very simply the most exciting candidate in US history, with more votes than any other candidate in any other election. 

I COMPLETELY understand that you believe Biden got millions more votes than Obama. Completely. 

And I certainly would not try to come between you and your pet unicorn that sold you that bill of goods. 

Hell, even Biden told us what was happening. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0

Not surprising, nothing. 
 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 8:11 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 8:11 pm

Not surprising, nothing.

I found little joey's candor surprising. He came right out and admitted that his handlers were using fraud to steal the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0
 

*Roshambo » 10 Feb 2026, 8:01 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 8:01 pm

Provide verifiable proven evidence the election was rigged and stolen. As of yet, I haven't seen any. 
Before you start in on Mail In Voting...

Out of 250,000,000 votes cast by mail between 2000 and 2020, there were 193 criminal convictions. By those numbers, a person is more likely to be struck by lightning than they are to commit voter fraud. Further, there are already measures in place to detect irregularities and investigate potential cases of voter fraud, making the need for further legislation even smaller. 

https://i.postimg.cc/rpc6tN7f/200w-(3).gif

if all of that horse **** was true, why are you so incensed about the Fulton County ballots being examined?
If it's your contention the election wasn't stolen, can you then  admit the majority of votes went to a brain dead moron, whose only accomplishment was enriching his own family, sticking the economy with inflation to the tune of 40% before he was done, and allowing 20 million illegals to walk across the border and then lie about it?
 

RebelGator » 10 Feb 2026, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 6:00 pm

Who would want some jackass voting that doesn't have enough intelligence to get an ID?

RebelGator » 10 Feb 2026, 8:22 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2026, 8:22 pm

if all of that horse **** was true, why are you so incensed about the Fulton County ballots being examined?
If it's your contention the election wasn't stolen, can you then  admit the majority of votes went to a brain dead moron, whose only accomplishment was enriching his own family, sticking the economy with inflation to the tune of 40% before he was done, and allowing 20 million illegals to walk across the border and then lie about it?

Consider this situation. The Captain of a vessel states that the boat struck a reef, resulting in one hole beneath the waterline and another "way above the waterline". Trump has consistently asserted that the elections are rigged and stolen, claiming that the voting software is corrupt, among other things. (This refers to the hole that is beneath the waterline.)

There exists an extremely slim possibility that the boat could take on water from the hole located above the waterline. (Requiring a photo Voter ID reveals that fraud occurs in only 0.00004% of all ballots cast. It is important to highlight that this rate is significantly lower than other infrequent types of voter fraud, such as absentee ballot fraud, which are not addressed by voter photo ID laws).

Which hole do you patch first? If we are to accept Trump's claims as truth, there is indeed a hole below the waterline, and repairing the hole above will not prevent the ship from taking on water and sinking.

These Voter laws don't address what Trump and team claim is happening. Get the big hole fixed, then we can implement Voter ID rules. I am for Voter ID.
If we find out there is no "big problems" someone needs to call Trump out on his lie, as this may have been the biggest, resulting in Ashli Babbitts death.

If voter fraud exists, I hope it is uncovered, those responsible are held accountable, and the system is rectified.

@Vegas