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16 Mar 2026 8:35 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Zeets2 » 19 Mar 2026, 12:53 pm » wrote: Of course he did, you fool!
Iran's mullahs thought they were still negotiating with such pussies as Obama and Biden, and that they could continue their nuclear program because the US didn't have the guts to stop them.  Didn't EVERY US PRESIDENT in the last few decades all state that they couldn't allow Iran to have nukes?  But they still gave Iran BILLIONS to fund their terrorism while Biden REMOVED those sanctions that Trump had put in place against Iran?  So OF COURSE Iran believed every US president was as gutless as Biden was.

So tell me, genius.  What exactly is America "losing" as you claim?  Iran's Air Force and Navy have been systematically wiped out, their missiles and missile launchers have almost all been virtually destroyed, and their leaders have all been either eliminated or have gone hiding in their spidey holes.  The US and Israel have proven that the military armaments that were given them by Russia and China are woefully outmatched in combat with us and we now have control of the Iran oil depot and the Strait of Hormuz where WE can choose which country's ships to allow passage through.

And YOU hate Trump's incredible success because to you it means that Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah no longer have the ability to do significant damage to Israel, which you're pouting over!  And that's left the theocratic Iranian government crumbling, together with the knowledge that WE must approve of their next leader or he'll suffer the same fate as the rest of their leaders have.  And the Iranian people are CHEERING TRUMP and waving American flags for what he's done, and their slogan is MIGA!; Make Iran Great Again!

Or don't you believe your own eyes?
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---------------------------Astonishingly, President Trump and his aides were caught unprepared when Iran, under air assault from the United States and Israel, retaliated by targeting shipping in the Persian Gulf region and specifically through the Strait of Hormuz. Military planners have pointed out for decades that the waterway—through which one-fifth of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas passes—is highly vulnerable to Iranian assault. But the Trump administration acknowledged in classified briefings, CNN reported last night, that it did not make provisions for a closure because officials assumed that such a move would hurt Iran more than the United States.In its failure to anticipate Iran’s reaction, the administration ignored a dynamic that former Defense Secretary James Mattis, a first-term Trump appointee, was fond of pointing out: Once hostilities begin, “the enemy gets a vote.” U.S. leaders have drastically underestimated the Iranian regime’s ability to survive, adjust, and strike back. Just two weeks into a war that began at a time of the president’s choosing, the U.S. appears uncertain about what to do next.
 

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jerrab » 19 Mar 2026, 1:39 pm » wrote: ---------------------------Astonishingly, President Trump and his aides were caught unprepared when Iran, under air assault from the United States and Israel, retaliated by targeting shipping in the Persian Gulf region and specifically through the Strait of Hormuz. Military planners have pointed out for decades that the waterway—through which one-fifth of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas passes—is highly vulnerable to Iranian assault. But the Trump administration acknowledged in classified briefings, CNN reported last night, that it did not make provisions for a closure because officials assumed that such a move would hurt Iran more than the United States.In its failure to anticipate Iran’s reaction, the administration ignored a dynamic that former Defense Secretary James Mattis, a first-term Trump appointee, was fond of pointing out: Once hostilities begin, “the enemy gets a vote.” U.S. leaders have drastically underestimated the Iranian regime’s ability to survive, adjust, and strike back. Just two weeks into a war that began at a time of the president’s choosing, the U.S. appears uncertain about what to do next.

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It's funny how you jackasses trash Trump for believing that Iran wouldn't do something stupid and against their own best interests, but you sucked the Mullah's promises to not build a nuclear weapon.

You have the common sense of a door knob.
 
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Zeets2 » 19 Mar 2026, 1:25 pm » wrote: MORE worthless irrelevance from the pouting ****** who LOVED Iran's mullahs!

I made the point that Turkey borders Iran only because it was stupidly pointed out that we allowed Turkey into NATO because it has a border with Russia, just as they have a border with Iran!
Then why did you leave out Azerbaijan, Iraq, Armenia, Georgia, Bulgaria, Greece, and Syria?

You were not setting the geography straight, you cheese eating ***. You were trying a cheap one-up. And you exposed your utter ignorance of what made Turkey so important to NATO. Hint: IT WAS NOT IRAN, you **** monkey. 

And for the record, it doesn't border Russia. It bordered the soviet union.
 
 
 
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Zeets2 » 19 Mar 2026, 1:29 pm » wrote: And you're the ignorant, anti-American, Jew-hating *** that enjoys remaining clueless on how to support this country at a time of war as you delight in giving aid and comfort to the enemy!

Treasonous scumbags like you should be sent to Guantanamo!
^Dick sucker is geegawing about wiping out Persians, and calling ME a hater - with no consciousness of irony. 

Untermensch.
 
 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

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When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

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RebelGator » 19 Mar 2026, 1:50 pm » wrote: It's funny how you jackasses trash Trump for believing that Iran wouldn't do something stupid and against their own best interests, but you sucked the Mullah's promises to not build a nuclear weapon.

You have the common sense of a door knob.

yep, america did not count on iran blocking the straight just because america bombed them. 

trump was caught by surprise he miscalculated because he has the sense of a broken shoelace.

lets see what france would do if america bombed them, or england or russia?

would you agree with trump they would not do anything?
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Zeets2 » 19 Mar 2026, 12:53 pm » wrote: Of course he did, you fool!
Iran's mullahs thought they were still negotiating with such pussies as Obama and Biden, and that they could continue their nuclear program because the US didn't have the guts to stop them.  Didn't EVERY US PRESIDENT in the last few decades all state that they couldn't allow Iran to have nukes?  But they still gave Iran BILLIONS to fund their terrorism while Biden REMOVED those sanctions that Trump had put in place against Iran?  So OF COURSE Iran believed every US president was as gutless as Biden was.

So tell me, genius.  What exactly is America "losing" as you claim?  Iran's Air Force and Navy have been systematically wiped out, their missiles and missile launchers have almost all been virtually destroyed, and their leaders have all been either eliminated or have gone hiding in their spidey holes.  The US and Israel have proven that the military armaments that were given them by Russia and China are woefully outmatched in combat with us and we now have control of the Iran oil depot and the Strait of Hormuz where WE can choose which country's ships to allow passage through.

And YOU hate Trump's incredible success because to you it means that Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah no longer have the ability to do significant damage to Israel, which you're pouting over!  And that's left the theocratic Iranian government crumbling, together with the knowledge that WE must approve of their next leader or he'll suffer the same fate as the rest of their leaders have.  And the Iranian people are CHEERING TRUMP and waving American flags for what he's done, and their slogan is MIGA!; Make Iran Great Again!

Or don't you believe your own eyes?
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “The UK team were surprised by what the Iranians put on the table,” the former official added.“It was not a complete deal, but it was progress and was unlikely to be the Iranians’ final offer. The British team expected the next round of negotiations to go ahead on the basis of the progress in Geneva.”That next round of talks was due to take place in Vienna on Monday 2 March, but never happened. The US and Israel had launched their all-out attack two days earlier.Powell’s attendance at the Geneva talks, as well as at a previous set of meetings earlier in the month in the Swiss city, helps in part to explain the UK government’s reluctance to back the US attack on Iran, a reluctance that has put the UK-US relationship under unprecedented strain.The UK saw no compelling evidence of an imminent threat of an Iranian missile attack on Europe, or of Iran securing a nuclear weapon. This is the first time it has become clear that Britain was so closely involved in the talks, and so had good reason to decide whether diplomatic options had been exhausted and a US attack was necessary.Instead the UK regarded the attack as unlawful and premature since Powell believed the path remained open to a negotiated solution to the long-running issue of how Iran could reassure the US that it was not seeking a nuclear weapon. 
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Cannonpointer » 19 Mar 2026, 1:53 pm » wrote: ^Dick sucker is geegawing about wiping out Persians, and calling ME a hater - with no consciousness of irony. 

Untermensch.

some people are not happy unless every child in iran is killed by trump. they felt the same way about gaza.
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Cannonpointer » 19 Mar 2026, 12:23 pm » wrote: Well no ****.

But she was talking about the defensive nature (ersatz though it be) of the organization. 

Just for a peek at what NATO is worth...

10 Ukrainians wiped out two NATO batallions in a couple of minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAg4qBaFvjI

No, she wanted to show how much she knows.
Then fight back stupidly.
Your defense of her (undeserved as it is) turned out to be much better spin than her own.  :wave:  
Please seat yourself.

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DeezerShoove » 19 Mar 2026, 4:10 pm » wrote: No, she wanted to show how much she knows.
Then fight back stupidly.
Your defense of her (undeserved as it is) turned out to be much better spin than her own.  Image
Hey, if I'm still okay, **** her. 
 
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Cannonpointer » 19 Mar 2026, 4:12 pm » wrote: Hey, if I'm still okay, **** her.

You most assuredly are, sir. :wub:  
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DeezerShoove » 19 Mar 2026, 4:10 pm » wrote: No, she wanted to show how much she knows.
Then fight back stupidly.
Your defense of her (undeserved as it is) turned out to be much better spin than her own.  Image
I was reponding to block head 7 who thinks nato should go to america's defense after america bombed iran.

it was about that I responded and there was no reason to say nato was formed  because of russia.

 
 
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DeezerShoove » 19 Mar 2026, 4:10 pm » wrote: No, she wanted to show how much she knows.
Then fight back stupidly.
Your defense of her (undeserved as it is) turned out to be much better spin than her own.  Image
it just was not about russia.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------With this in mind, several Western European democracies came together to implement various projects for greater military cooperation and collective defence, including the creation of the Western Union in 1948, later to become the Western European Union in 1954. In the end, it was determined that only a truly transatlantic security agreement could deter Soviet aggression while simultaneously preventing the revival of European militarism and laying the groundwork for political integration.Accordingly, after much discussion and debate, the North Atlantic Treaty was signed on 4 April, 1949. In the Treaty's renowned Article 5, the new Allies agreed "an armed attack against one or more of them… shall be considered an attack against them all" and that following such an attack, each Ally would take "such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force" in response. Significantly, Articles 2 and 3 of the Treaty had important purposes not immediately germane to the threat of attack. Article 3 laid the foundation for cooperation in military preparedness between the Allies, and Article 2 allowed them some leeway to engage in non-military cooperation.
 
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DeezerShoove » 19 Mar 2026, 4:10 pm » wrote: No, she wanted to show how much she knows.
Then fight back stupidly.
Your defense of her (undeserved as it is) turned out to be much better spin than her own.  Image
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It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism, forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration.
 
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jerrab » 19 Mar 2026, 4:46 pm » wrote: I was reponding to block head 7 who thinks nato should go to america's defense after america bombed iran.

it was about that I responded and there was no reason to say nato was formed  because of russia.
No LIAR jerra. America does not need NATO. I said, they (nato) need to go and secure their own **** ships. So, what nato country did Putin attack? What's that? None you say. Then why, oh why RETARDED one, did nato seek TRUMP's support?........................ PLEASE TRUMP...pull all assets from those nato countries who are not supporting. 
 
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DeezerShoove » 19 Mar 2026, 4:10 pm » wrote: No, she wanted to show how much she knows.
Then fight back stupidly.
Your defense of her (undeserved as it is) turned out to be much better spin than her own.  Image
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The result of these extensive negotiations was the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949. In this agreement, the United States, Canada, Belgium, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and the United Kingdom agreed to consider attack against one an attack against all, along with consultations about threats and defense matters.

===========================attacks  by any country not just the soviet union,
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MR-7 » 19 Mar 2026, 5:11 pm » wrote: No LIAR jerra. America does not need NATO. I said, they (nato) need to go and secure their own **** ships. So, what nato country did Putin attack? What's that? None you say. Then why, oh why RETARDED one, did nato seek TRUMP's support?........................ PLEASE TRUMP...pull all assets from those nato countries who are not supporting.

are you talking about ukraine?
 
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jerrab » 19 Mar 2026, 5:18 pm » wrote: ----------------------------------------
The result of these extensive negotiations was the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949. In this agreement, the United States, Canada, Belgium, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and the United Kingdom agreed to consider attack against one an attack against all, along with consultations about threats and defense matters.

===========================attacks  by any country not just the soviet union,

Let this dead end die, sis.
Please seat yourself.

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DeezerShoove » 19 Mar 2026, 5:23 pm » wrote: Let this dead end die, sis.

nope you were wrong- nato was not formed just because of russia.

any attack by any country would be avenged by nato.

 
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DeezerShoove » 19 Mar 2026, 5:23 pm » wrote: Let this dead end die, sis.

you were wrong, admit it.

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The result of these extensive negotiations was the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949. In this agreement, the United States, Canada, Belgium, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and the United Kingdom agreed to consider attack against one an attack against all,
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