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Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 8:50 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:50 pm

The neocon/pnac delusion is debunked.You just haven't noticed yet.

Noticed what, asshole?

The new record highs by the stock market?
The dozens of oil tankers that are now buying their oil from the US?
The incredible success of the naval blockade of Iran?
The fact that now even Hezbollah is begging for a peace deal?
The drop in the world price of oil down to $83 a barrel when pussies like you whined non-stop about after only a few weeks of higher prices?
Iran begging for a peace deal, ready to capitulate to every Trump demand?

What terrible, delusional things have YOU got to wring your hands and wet your panties over now?
 
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 8:44 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:44 pm

Coupla things.

1. We had to take interceptors away from South Kores - pissing off our allies there and worrying our allies in Japan - because those useless russian, chinese, and iranain drones overwhelmed the batteries the US THOUGHT would do the job.
2. We had to take interceptors away from Western Europe because those useless russian, chinese, and iranain drones overwhelmed the batteries the US THOUGHT would do the job.
3. NOT FEELING SAFE, our allies are getting together and creating new strategies and alliances. NATO is on the way out - and this will cut our MIC's production and profits in half. It will make it much more difficult for us to act in concert with alliesin the event of a major war.

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The US market is a prize for sure. Every nation on earth covets access to it, for good reason. We can (and more often than you think, do) make nations jump through hoops. You likely believe we should make them jump through MORE hoops - and if you do, we can agree on that. But as desirable as that access is, if we demand the leaders of other nations murder their wives and children on video in order to get it, THEY WILL FIND SOME OTHER WAY TO PROCEED, WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE AMERICAN MARKET. So there IS a limit, and the US is edging mighty, mighty close to hitting that limit.

Just as there is a limit to what we can require of our military allies. A military alliance with the US has always been seen as the best way to be safe in a dangerous world. Like access to our market, it has very real and very substantial value. But like access to our market, being our ally has great but FINITE value. And every vassal state of ours - sorry, ALLY of ours - in the middle east can attest that an alliance with the US can come with significant costs. It has made them LESS safe - and the best interceptors go to israel while the arab states get pounded and their economies get shut down.

Are you the same guy that was whining about how the world was going to turn against the US because of the Trump tariffs just a couple of months ago?

And why in the world would you suddenly object when our allies realize they had better focus on defending themselves rather than counting on NATO and the US to protect them?  This is PRECISELY the outcome that Trump wanted, and NATO's refusal to help us keep the Strait of Hormuz open was the only catalyst needed for Trump to read them the riot act and warn them about what will happen the next time US military might is needed in the world.

You were nothing but a weeping ****** then and you're still one now as you try to pretend that you were always a MAGA supporter while you did nothing but criticize and fling your **** against every one of Trump's actions that have now ALL proven to be overwhelmingly successful.
So eat **** now, you two-faced blowhard!
 

Zeets2 » 31 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

31 minutes ago

Noticed what, asshole?

The new record highs by the stock market?
The dozens of oil tankers that are now buying their oil from the US?
The incredible success of the naval blockade of Iran?
The fact that now even Hezbollah is begging for a peace deal?
The drop in the world price of oil down to $83 a barrel when pussies like you whined non-stop about after only a few weeks of higher prices?
Iran begging for a peace deal, ready to capitulate to every Trump demand?

What terrible, delusional things have YOU got to wring your hands and wet your panties over now?

The price of oilcan be at zero, ya fruit - if the cost of shipping it quadruples.

You see a snapshot world where Trump's Hail Murray has worked. Isee a dynamic world wherein the vast majorityof nations are dropping the petro dollar and forming new alliances.

One of us is incorrect. Let's hide and watch,bearing in mind that it is always dawnest before the dark and before the fall cometh pride. 

Be proud, son. Be proud. 
 

Zeets2 » 26 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

26 minutes ago

Are you the same guy that was whining about how the world was going to turn against the US because of the Trump tariffs just a couple of months ago?

I wouldn't have said whining, per se. I prefer sniveling.

But yes, I am that guy. The one with the rock hard cock and difficulty going out without being mobbed by hot chicks. Why do you ax?

Zeets2 » 26 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

26 minutes ago

And why in the world would you suddenly object when our allies realize they had better focus on defending themselves rather than counting on NATO and the US to protect them?  This is PRECISELY the outcome that Trump wanted, and NATO's refusal to help us keep the Strait of Hormuz open was the only catalyst needed for Trump to read them the riot act and warn them about what will happen the next time US military might is needed in the world.

I see that you did not understand what I posted. And now I will let you see that I have no intention of dumbing it down for you.

You should understand that my posts to you are not REALLY intended for you.You're just the guy that lobs.

Zeets2 » 26 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

26 minutes ago

You were nothing but a weeping ****** then and you're still one now as you try to pretend that you were always a MAGA supporter while you did nothing but criticize and fling your **** against every one of Trump's actions that have now ALL proven to be overwhelmingly successful.
So eat **** now, you two-faced blowhard!

MAGA stands for Make AMERICA Great again. I still am MAGA.

You are MIGA. That's why we butt heads. You cant to make ISRAEL great again - and only then, only after that, make AMERICA great again. You put our country second.
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 9:23 am

Being better informed than you.

Whether the US drops NATO or not, NATO is dead already.The trust is gone. The interests are diverged.The EU is fully committed to building its own MIC and is proceeding apace.Whatever **** comes fromyour mouth is irrelevant to the equation.You're a tourist, popping off to a local.

Only an uninformed clown like you would think that German and French engineers cannot meet or exceed what the American MIC produces.

And only a complete jackass would be shocked and awed by the US "beating" an economy smaller than Indiana - about tied with Minnesota. And I put "beating" in quotes because the fat lady hasn't sung yet, you heavy breathing, over eager retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTHrJDlFeg

I would say your analysis is accurate but it is too late for Europe to make the pivot. They will likely try and fail.

It takes 15-20 years to build a viable MIC and not only is the European Union poorer than the United States (per capita), we are headed for a global recession next year that will feel like a depression.

Depressed tax revenues and increased, unsustainable spending increases (to build a MIC) will cause bond yields to skyrocket and threaten the viability of the monetary system. One of Trumps' handlers agenda was to loot the corpse known as the European economy. 

They won't recover from this for 30-50 years. 
 

LowIQTrash » 8 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

8 minutes ago

I would say your analysis is accurate but it is too late for Europe to make the pivot. They will likely try and fail.

It takes 15-20 years to build a viable MIC and not only is the European Union poorer than the United States (per capita), we are headed for a global recession next year that will feel like a depression.

Depressed tax revenues and increased, unsustainable spending increases (to build a MIC) will cause bond yields to skyrocket and threaten the viability of the monetary system. One of Trumps' handlers agenda was to loot the corpse known as the European economy. 

They won't recover from this for 30-50 years.

I agree with you - though I would say they can dig out in less than 20. The Europeans are very smart when they're not being retarded. But there are so many conditions and traps, and now the muzzies - hell, you're probably right. 

One thing is for sure. The belt tightening is going to hurt like a mother ****. And that might be the silverl ining, because a revolution could produce revolutionary results. 
 

Cannonpointer » 23 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

23 minutes ago

I agree with you - though I would say they can dig out in less than 20. The Europeans are very smart when they're not being retarded. But there are so many conditions and traps, and now the muzzies - hell, you're probably right. 

One thing is for sure. The belt tightening is going to hurt like a mother ****. And that might be the silverl ining, because a revolution could produce revolutionary results.

30-50 years to recover is being generous. They are controlled by the Tiny Hats and this time there is no Mustache Man to help get rid of them. 

The Tiny Hats are also importing [exporting] millions of Mooselimbs into Europe every year. As revenge for Jerusalem 70 AD and the Kh@zars being kicked out 1000 years ago for being thieves, swindlers, and human traffickers.
 

dLowIQTrash » 19 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

19 minutes ago

30-50 years to recover is being generous. They are controlled by the Tiny Hats and this time there is no Mustache Man to help get rid of them. 

The Tiny Hats are also importing [exporting] millions of Mooselimbs into Europe every year. As revenge for Jerusalem 70 AD and the Kh@zars being kicked out 1000 years ago for being thieves, swindlers, and human traffickers.

Mustaches can grow fast under the right conditions...
 
 

Zeets2 » Today, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:14 am

Noticed what, asshole?

The new record highs by the stock market?
The dozens of oil tankers that are now buying their oil from the US?
The incredible success of the naval blockade of Iran?
The fact that now even Hezbollah is begging for a peace deal?
The drop in the world price of oil down to $83 a barrel when pussies like you whined non-stop about after only a few weeks of higher prices?
Iran begging for a peace deal, ready to capitulate to every Trump demand?

What terrible, delusional things have YOU got to wring your hands and wet your panties over now?

By the way, Europeiscancelling flights because the price of jet fuel - which is also in short supply - is too exhorbitant. The entire continent is heading into a long winter. Fun fact - and you may remember this, from back a short while ago when you were rooting for globalism instead of cursing it - Everyone is interconnected. Europe is not going have an ISOLATED depression. 
 
You are the type of fellow who will brag about the delicious meal his leg makes. You point with glee and clap like a monkey at the unsustainable. 

Cannonpointer » Today, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:50 am

You should understand that my posts to you are not REALLY intended for you.You're just the guy that lobs.

MAGA stands for Make AMERICA Great again. I still am MAGA.

You are MIGA. That's why we butt heads. You want to make ISRAEL great again - and only then, only after that, make AMERICA great again. You put our country second.

Sorry, but I don't tolerate abject stupidity, whether you level it against me or anyone else.
Oh, so you want to make America great again, but you object to the president that ends the nuclear threat that Iran has imposed for decades through year after year of watching Muslim fanatics rape, behead, set afire, and torture Americans, Jews, and other Muslims.  You were all pissed off that it cost you another 30 cents or so for a gallon of gas, sputtering your idiotic **** even after I stated that $100 a barrel oil would only last a couple of weeks, and now that the price is down to $81 just as I claimed it would be, you STILL can't give Trump the credit he's due!

And finally, only a dope like you would make such an idiotic complaint that I put Israel ahead of my own country, just because I'm not a Jew hater like you who can appreciate the intrinsic value in having our strongest and most dependable ally to go to war with rather than the feckless scumbags in NATO and all of Europe that refused to support us, despite the fact that most of Europe would have been viable targets to be nuked by Iran right now if it wasn't for Trump's determination.

Then the icing on the cake is advertising your pride in an erection when the only real thing you have between your legs is a tampon-filled ******!

Cannonpointer » 17 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

17 minutes ago

By the way, Europeiscancelling flights because the price of jet fuel - which is also in short supply - is too exhorbitant. The entire continent is heading into a long winter. Fun fact - and you may remember this, from back a short while ago when you were rooting for globalism instead of cursing it - Everyone is interconnected. Europe is not going have an ISOLATED depression. 
 
You are the type of fellow who will brag about the delicious meal his leg makes. You point with glee and clap like a monkey at the unsustainable.

So here you are once again pretending you support THIS country despite having a PMS meltdown because European *** may have to pay more for their airfare!  Get your **** priorities straight, ******!  Clearly you're too dumb to realize how we're now in control of virtually all the oil in the world and making a fortune selling it now to all of Europe. 

And I've NEVER been a supporter of globalism, you lying scumbag!
So what is it that you now see as unsustainable, you buffoon?  Besides your obsession with your own midget dick, I mean?
 

Zeets2 » 21 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

21 minutes ago

Sorry, but I don't tolerate abject stupidity, whether you level it against me or anyone else.

TOLERATE it?

Son, you EMBODY it - PERSONIFY it.

Zeets2 » 21 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

21 minutes ago

Oh, so you want to make America great again, but you object to the president that ends the nuclear threat that Iran has imposed for decades

 

Zeets2 » 18 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

18 minutes ago

So here you are once again pretending you support THIS country despite having a PMS meltdown because European *** may have to pay more for their airfare!  Get your **** priorities straight, ******!  Clearly you're too dumb to realize how we're now in control of virtually all the oil in the world and making a fortune selling it now to all of Europe. 

And I've NEVER been a supporter of globalism, you lying scumbag!
So what is it that you now see as unsustainable, you buffoon?  Besides your obsession with your own midget dick, I mean?

Oh, no, no - you were NEVER in support of globalsim.           

And you have owned and operated MULTIPLE businesses employing HUNDREDS of workers.

Be honest. You werea Navy SEAL - yes?
 

Cannonpointer » 29 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

29 minutes ago

Oh, no, no - you were NEVER in support of globalsim.           

And you have owned and operated MULTIPLE businesses employing HUNDREDS of workers.

Be honest. You werea Navy SEAL - yes?

Nope, never served in the military.  And I've never claimed to have hundreds of workers.  I started my first business at the age of 18 and had roughly 50 employees working for me by the time I was 21, selling my products throughout the country as well as internationally to So. Korea, Puerto Rico, Canada, England, Scotland, and Australia.  And I was a customer of Thailand, China, and Sweden as well as throughout the US over my career.  And yes, I've owned or partnered in 5 businesses in my career which I've already proven here once, the first time you dared to challenge my integrity and proved what a chump and a loser you are!  So by all means, if you want me to shove the proof up your dumb, pauper *** as I did before, then all you have to do is challenge me again if you've got any balls in those panties you wear.

Now, you lying scumbag, why don't you show me where I have EVER been a fan of globalism simply because I'm not a Jew hater like you?
 

Zeets2 » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

Nope, never served in the military.  And I've never claimed to have hundreds of workers.  I started my first business at the age of 18 and had roughly 50 employees working for me by the time I was 21, selling my products throughout the country as well as internationally to So. Korea, Puerto Rico, Canada, England, Scotland, and Australia.  And I was a customer of Thailand, China, and Sweden as well as throughout the US over my career. 

So,aglobalist.

Zeets2 » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

And yes, I've owned or partnered in 5 businesses in my career

What about the downs syndrome thing? How did you manage being an idiot?

Were you a sort of Forrest Gump phenomenon?

Zeets2 » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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Now, you lying scumbag, why don't you show me where I have EVER been a fan of globalism simply because I'm not a Jew hater like you?

You're an arab hater, making you an anti-Semite, so I'm basically arguing with hitler right now.

You were "always against globalism" just like every other retardocon on this board.

Cannonpointer » Today, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 11:52 am

So, a globalist.

What about the downs syndrome thing? How did you manage being an idiot?

Were you a sort of Forrest Gump phenomenon?

You're an arab hater, making you an anti-Semite, so I'm basically arguing with hitler right now.

You were "always against globalism" just like every other retardocon on this board.

Hey dickhead!  A business buying and selling goods internationally is far different than the political distinction of globalism, but it's not surprising that you're also so ignorant of that and apparently you can't stand the fact that I've reaped huge profits selling my products outside of the country.

And obviously, your own jealousy of my success compared to yours is a constant irritant to you, so you have no option other than to use your typical childish insults that anyone who has been a monumental failure as you would do.

Leave it to a dope like you who confuses a person hating Muslim/Arab terrorists that have murdered thousands with an anti-Semite and consider ME to be comparable to Hitler when I'm the one who fully supports our great ally Israel while YOU subscribe to the Hamas/Hezbollah/Nazi desire to wipe Israel off the map and murder every Jew in the process!  So, do you care to tell ME how your views are NOT an exact duplicate of Hitler's wishes, you scumbag Jew-hater?
 

Cannonpointer » Today, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 7:54 am

No, no.

I am America first - to the bone. 

He is israel first. He, and allof his stripe, are israel first, America second.

They countenance paying for israelis to have socialized higher education and socialized medical insurance, yet they will scream to high heaven and get very activist if anyone tries to do the same for their neighbors. It would cut into the profits of the MIC, you see. We cannot support socilism for the US AND isreal, and still maintain the platforms to defend israel.
 
 

Every intellectual character serving humanity stays on message "humanity first" regardless biological position of displacement daily here in current generation gap of one's unique ancestral lineage lived in the last 7,000 years average a next generation added each 20 revolutions around the star of this unique solar system, in this unique galaxy as part of the total sum evolution done in this universal moment.

Zeets2 » 33 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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Hey dickhead!  A business buying and selling goods internationally is far different than the political distinction of globalism,

Yes, I know - but poking retards is a hobby.

I knoiw your kind, you lying homo. You are the VERY kind who used to call me a commie for wanting tariffs to protect American workers from unfair competition with coolie labor. And your wheezy sort explained - from provided talking points, of course - how allowing every country to specialize in this is or that (like cheap labor, for example) was FWEE TWADE - and I was a piece of **** comnist for wanting protectionist tariffs.

It wasn't until the trump phenomenon that you lying sacks of **** were NEVER for globalism - ALWAYS against it.

Zeets2 » 33 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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And obviously, your own jealousy of my success

Settle down, Francis. I'm not even jealous of people who really WERE successful. I was (and still am) as successful as I strove to be.

Zeets2 » 33 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

33 minutes ago

Leave it to a dope like you who confuses a person hating Muslim/Arab terrorists that have murdered thousands with an anti-Semite

Israeli terrorists murdered thousands and you are all over their dicks.

Every founding member of israel's government had a death warrant on their heads by the english crown for terrorist actions - mostly mass bombings and genocidal raids on their neighbors. The palestinians have never done a single thing to the statre of israel that the state of israel has not done to them.
 

Cannonpointer » Today, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 1:25 pm

Yes, I know - but poking retards is a hobby.

I knoiw your kind, you lying homo. You are the VERY kind who used to call me a commie for wanting tariffs to protect American workers from unfair competition with coolie labor. And your wheezy sort explained - from provided talking points, of course - how allowing every country to specialize in this is or that (like cheap labor, for example) was FWEE TWADE - and I was a piece of **** comnist for wanting protectionist tariffs.

It wasn't until the trump phenomenon that you lying sacks of **** were NEVER for globalism - ALWAYS against it.

Settle down, Francis. I'm not even jealous of people who really WERE successful. I was (and still am) as successful as I strove to be.

Israeli terrorists murdered thousands and you are all over their dicks.

Every founding member of israel's government had a death warrant on their heads by the english crown for terrorist actions - mostly mass bombings and genocidal raids on their neighbors. The palestinians have never done a single thing to the statre of israel that the state of israel has not done to them.

Oh, that's the KIND I am?  Only lying scumbags like yourself would try making such an idiotic and phony claim when you know that I've NEVER objected to placing reciprocal tariffs on international trade, and you're a **** communist ****** regardless of what tariffs you approve of.

And NO ONE who was truly successful in their career would EVER act so indignant over someone else's success in business.  It's only jealous losers like yourself who have an inherent need to try to minimize the success of others so you don't feel like the failed piece of **** we all know you are!  You're nothing but trailer-park trash using your big **** mouth to try to bully anyone here who points out your vast ignorance.

Now, dickhead, show me where Israel EVER invaded a Muslim country and brutally raped and murdered over 1200 innocent civilian men, women, children and even infants, who were either burned alive or had to watch their infant child beheaded in front of them as Hamas did to Israeli citizens on Oct. 7th, and when you can't, let's see if you've got the integrity to admit it, which I already know you desperately lack, you lying ****!
 

Zeets2 » Today, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 2:33 pm

Only lying scumbags like yourself would try making such an idiotic and phony claim when you know that I've NEVER objected to placing reciprocal tariffs on international trade,

Reciprical tariffs are *** play for dim wits. Tariffs should be PROTETIONIST, dictated by the national interests of the tariffing nation.

REIPROCAL tariffs are tit for tat - both ignoring the necessity of the tariffing nation, and engaging in childish politics. Look at Japan. They tariff the **** out of food. They inhabit a rocky island where growing food is expensive. If they allow food to come in without heavy tariffs, theirf armers will never compete. They will lose their agricultural base - and with it their sovereignty. Putting tit for tat tariffs on Japan would be a feel-good operation - which is *** play. But we did it. We tariffed their cars for years. When we removed those tit for tat tariffs, within a couple of years a digit was added to the odometers of American cars. American made cars had to up their game in response to excellent Japanese competition. The people gained mightily.

Tariffs should be designed for one thing: to protect our national interests. Not revenge, not punishment, not for anything but protecting our national interests. A good example is tariffs on chinee steel, because 

1. They dump steel
2. They pay coolie wages with which American steel cannot compete
3. If we can't produce our own steel, we will be weak militarily

Zeets2 » Today, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 12:55 pm

And NO ONE who was truly successful in their career would EVER act so indignant over someone else's success in business.

Not indignant, Sparky. Skeptical. I see a combattive moron who can never admit error. Such folk are lousy in business. Successful business people ADMIT errors quickly and PROFIT from them.

You were willing to die on the hill that my Prius was an EV. You could not admit error. You insisted that EVERY HYBRID CAR is an EV, even though the entire world knows that a hybrid and an EV are different animals.

Are all hybrid cars EVs?

AI

No, not all hybrid cars are EVs (Electric Vehicles).

While both use electric motors to save fuel, they differ fundamentally in how they are powered and operated.

That level of immature intransigence - basically the emotional equivalent of a foot-stomping five year old, - makes it difficult to humor the claim you made about being successful in business.

So, no, you foot stomping, chin jutting, wee little five year old fit thrower. I do NOT believe it at all likely for one such as you to have been successful in business, competing with emotional adults. 

Zeets2 » Today, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 2:33 pm

It's only jealous losers

I am neither of those things, Sparky.

Zeets2 » Today, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 2:33 pm

Now, dickhead, show me where Israel EVER invaded a Muslim country and brutally raped and murdered over 1200 innocent civilian 

That is not what I said. The murders which ended with death warrants (Wanted Dead or Alive) by the British Crown happened when the zionists took over the land then known as the Palestine Mandate, which was controlled by the British.

But I can still give you what you asked for. Lebanon in 1978. Operation Litani killed over a thousand civilians and displaced more than 100 thousand, putting them into dire poverty and shortening their lives. It destroyed entire neighborhoods and traumatized a nation.