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MR-7 » Yesterday, 5:29 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 5:29 am

Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022...that’s not an opinion, it’s documented fact.

Quick, follow that fact with girly ****.

HURRY! DO IT!

MR-7 » Yesterday, 5:29 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 5:29 am

UN, NATO, AP, Reuters, BBC, EU...every credible source on Earth calls it an unprovoked Russian invasion.

Good girl.

1. UN - Situated in New York and funded primarily by the US, cannot be viewed by any adult as a neutral arbiter. The United States contributes approximately 31% of the total revenue for the United Nations system. There are 193 member states. Our payments based on equality would come to .5181%. Just a tiny smidge over half a point. Instead we are bumping against a third - AND providing the building AND providing the security for that building. In reality, over half of costs are met by ONE country. That spells influence, child. 
2. NATO - a party to the conflict, by its own admission. It is LITERALLY providing armaments, money, logistics, intelligence, and mercenary operators. 
3. AP, Reurters, BBC - Green new deal, mandatory covid vaccines, boys can "become" girls. Your "authorities" signal your dignity, fruity.
4. EU - - a party to the conflict, by its own admission. Providing armaments, money, logistics, intelligence, and mercenary operators. 

MR-7 » Yesterday, 5:29 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 5:29 am

If you’ve got a source saying Ukraine started it, post it.

The BRICS bloc has maintained close political, economic, and in some cases military/security ties with Moscow. The global south is more aligned with Moscow than with DC.

But let us hoist a sissy on her own petard. EVERY SOURCE THAT YOU HAVE NAMED OPPOSES US ACTIONS IN VENEZUELA AND IRAN.
UN, NATO, AP, Reuters, BBC, EU...every 'credible' source on Earth calls it an unprovoked American invasion.

You’re arguing against the entire planet. Amarican troops crossing the border, launching missiles, and announcing a ‘special military operation. Wild coincidence, right? But hey, if you’ve got a source showing Iran invaded itself, Venezuela invaded itself, go ahead and post it. 

MR-7 » Yesterday, 5:29 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 5:29 am

If the evidence is ‘incontrovertible,’ then post it. Not a blog. Not a YouTube rant. Not a meme. Show a UN report, a NATO statement, an AP/Reuters investigation, or an OSCE finding saying the U.S. planned and directed Russia’s invasion.If you can’t produce that, then you’re not talking about evidence...you’re talking about a narrative.

I posted it, fruitcake. AND I gave a link. And it is incontrovertible. 

The planning of the war. The running of the coup. All written up in papers from a deep state actor (Rand Corp). In the case of the Maidan Coup, a youtube video IS the evidence. It's not an argument. A meme. A rant. It's an intercepted phone call between a cia agent posing as an ambassador to Ukraine and Hillary Clinton's top assistant. And it is incontrovertible. The US government's official position is that the call took place. Apologies were made for the "**** the EU" comment.

You can run, shorty. But you cannot hide. You can put your fingers in your ear and yell LA LA LA LA LA. But when the fingers come out, the evidence is still in your propaganda guzzling face.

Now, hurry. Tell us what your trusted authorities at the UN and the Associated Press are "officially" saying. Any news on Greta Thunberg, fruitcake?
 

Cannonpointer » 17 May 2026, 10:40 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2026, 10:40 pm

Why does that ****** @MR-7  keep spamming other people's threads about this topic, instead of tackling the issue in a thread that is ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS TOPIC?

Could it be the ****** is put off by the fact that there is falsifiable evidence posted in this thread?

I think that is precisely the problem for him. There are links to the claims made. There is incdontrovertible evidence that this war was planned by the US, set in motion by the US, funded and DIRECTED by the US - that this is a proxy war the Russians did not start. And he cannot credibly dispute that evidence. So he dances around it by litigating the dispute between us in other people's threads about other topics. 

The ****** wants to spew the Obama/Clinton narrative. And he is so stupid and out of touch with where his talking points come from that he doesn't even KNOW he is defending Obama and Hillary's actions, working his ****-mouth to cover up what they did.

"There is incontrovertible evidence that this war was planned by the US, set in motion by the US, funded and DIRECTED by the US - that this is a proxy war the Russians did not start."

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I still do not understand what fuels the fear and loathing between U.S. and Russian governments.
Taking your lecture/rant at face value, it would be hard to see it any other way...
...and one has to assume the Russians are considered the enemy. But, I still find that one hard to swallow.
At least at the peon-to-peon level.  

Maybe they were (enemies) back when they were the Soviets and made a deal with Germany (who ended up attacking the Soviets anyway).
You know, the ol' my-enemy's-allies-are-my-enemies-too thing.
Then Germany back-stabbed them so the Soviets joined up with anyone who could help them survive.
Who could blame them? But we were never really friends.
We just wanted Russians to keep the east side of Germany busy. And they were very keen to do so.

Then a BIG factor in using nukes in Japan was the U.S. getting there first.
The Soviet **** in Germany was telling (warranted or not).
So this deep-seated fear/hatred seems to have roots before the world war era.

Hatfield and McCoy . . .
 

DeezerShoove » Yesterday, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 2:05 pm

"There is incontrovertible evidence that this war was planned by the US, set in motion by the US, funded and DIRECTED by the US - that this is a proxy war the Russians did not start."

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I still do not understand what fuels the fear and loathing between U.S. and Russian governments.
Taking your lecture/rant at face value, it would be hard to see it any other way...
...and one has to assume the Russians are considered the enemy. But, I still find that one hard to swallow.
At least at the peon-to-peon level.  

Maybe they were (enemies) back when they were the Soviets and made a deal with Germany (who ended up attacking the Soviets anyway).
You know, the ol' my-enemy's-allies-are-my-enemies-too thing.
Then Germany back-stabbed them so the Soviets joined up with anyone who could help them survive.
Who could blame them? But we were never really friends.
We just wanted Russians to keep the east side of Germany busy. And they were very keen to do so.

Then a BIG factor in using nukes in Japan was the U.S. getting there first.
The Soviet **** in Germany was telling (warranted or not).
So this deep-seated fear/hatred seems to have roots before the world war era.

Hatfield and McCoy . . .

Maybe some Plutonium Punch and a frozen Navalny Steak well done with kethcup will help you catch up.

But yeah, you really aren't a fan of free and fair elections anyway. I advise you stay on hotel rooms with no windows and no higher than the 2nd floor.

Peon to Peon level communications are hard to come by on Youtube..   But they exist.

The Russian VR hooker is probably a 400 pound bed ridden hacker.

 
 

JohnnyYou » Yesterday, 5:45 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 5:45 pm

Maybe some Plutonium Punch and a frozen Navalny Steak well done with kethcup will help you catch up.

But yeah, you really aren't a fan of free and fair elections anyway. I advise you stay on hotel rooms with no windows and no higher than the 2nd floor.

Peon to Peon level communications are hard to come by on Youtube..   But they exist.

The Russian VR hooker is probably a 400 pound bed ridden hacker.

Tell me more about myself.

DeezerShoove » Yesterday, 7:22 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 7:22 pm

Tell me more about myself.

Your avatar looks like a UFO..

youtu.be/iibyFjc_8h0?si=U1U7mD5Ej1j4kiGT
 

JohnnyYou » Yesterday, 7:26 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 7:26 pm

Your avatar looks like a UFO..

youtu.be/iibyFjc_8h0?si=U1U7mD5Ej1j4kiGT

Try looking when you're sober.

DeezerShoove » Yesterday, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 2:05 pm

"There is incontrovertible evidence that this war was planned by the US, set in motion by the US, funded and DIRECTED by the US - that this is a proxy war the Russians did not start."

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I still do not understand what fuels the fear and loathing between U.S. and Russian governments.
Taking your lecture/rant at face value, it would be hard to see it any other way...
...and one has to assume the Russians are considered the enemy. But, I still find that one hard to swallow.
At least at the peon-to-peon level.  

Maybe they were (enemies) back when they were the Soviets and made a deal with Germany (who ended up attacking the Soviets anyway).
You know, the ol' my-enemy's-allies-are-my-enemies-too thing.
Then Germany back-stabbed them so the Soviets joined up with anyone who could help them survive.
Who could blame them? But we were never really friends.
We just wanted Russians to keep the east side of Germany busy. And they were very keen to do so.

Then a BIG factor in using nukes in Japan was the U.S. getting there first.
The Soviet **** in Germany was telling (warranted or not).
So this deep-seated fear/hatred seems to have roots before the world war era.

Hatfield and McCoy . . .

The feud between Moscow and the west is older than this country that we live in. Russia is just too **** big. The west has always recognized the frightening potential of owning half the world's resources, and it has never trusted the slavs with that much power.

I don't know whether you are aware of just how twisted the psyche of the British elite is. It's **** deep and wide in its sickness. I mean, it's so bad that there was a time the sun never sat on the British Empire because God Himself did not trust an Englishman in the dark. 

The Brits know how much evil THEY would get up to with such resources. They're keen to prove it, if they can break up Russia and dine on its corpse. What they are not keen to do and never have been keen to do is simply accept Russia's ownership of half the Asian continent. It's why they have always and forever been extremely interested in keeping the Russians from owning Crimea, and it's why they have always and forever been keen on having good relations with Turkey, which controls the Bosporus. 

The west is afraid of Russia, plain and simple. Always has been. And Putin gave the west every opportunity to put those fears to rest. He asked to join NATO - to share the same security architecture as the Europeans. The bloc that would have formed would have been invincible. But the assholes just could not bring themselves to play nice with Russia. To share power with Russia. Russia has had cooties for many, many centuries. It's the uncool kid that just will not recognize his place. 

The west are the beautiful people. The Russians are the earnest losers who just want good relations - a seat at the cool kids' table. They want in the club. 

We've all seen the movie a hundred times. We all know how it ends. 

DeezerShoove » Yesterday, 8:07 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:07 pm

Try looking when you're sober.

OK?   There is a Teddy bear and Smiley Face in the key housing? It's a push button switch?

https://i.postimg.cc/DyfTvhNb/image.png
 
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 11:33 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 11:33 pm

The feud between Moscow and the west is older than this country that we live in. Russia is just too **** big. The west has always recognized the frightening potential of owning half the world's resources, and it has never trusted the slavs with that much power.

I don't know whether you are aware of just how twisted the psyche of the British elite is. It's **** deep and wide in its sickness. I mean, it's so bad that there was a time the sun never sat on the British Empire because God Himself did not trust an Englishman in the dark. 

The Brits know how much evil THEY would get up to with such resources. They're keen to prove it, if they can break up Russia and dine on its corpse. What they are not keen to do and never have been keen to do is simply accept Russia's ownership of half the Asian continent. It's why they have always and forever been extremely interested in keeping the Russians from owning Crimea, and it's why they have always and forever been keen on having good relations with Turkey, which controls the Bosporus. 

The west is afraid of Russia, plain and simple. Always has been. And Putin gave the west every opportunity to put those fears to rest. He asked to join NATO - to share the same security architecture as the Europeans. The bloc that would have formed would have been invincible. But the assholes just could not bring themselves to play nice with Russia. To share power with Russia. Russia has had cooties for many, many centuries. It's the uncool kid that just will not recognize his place. 

The west are the beautiful people. The Russians are the earnest losers who just want good relations - a seat at the cool kids' table. They want in the club. 

We've all seen the movie a hundred times. We all know how it ends.

Seems to be exactly why our constitution, the very structure of our country, is set up with the House and the Senate.
One has a voice as loud as the population and one has the exact same representation per boundary.
This forces a balance to mob rule and fleeting popularity.

Russia is the Alaska in this globally. Singapore is Rhode Island.   

The Russkis have been at battle with their borders forever. Defensive and untrusting.
Again, who can blame them? But they haven't oh-so-wonderful and noble either.

Back to the question of the chicken or the egg... Hatfield and McCoys...
Who started what and how long ago was it? That part is the mystery and probably not worth knowing if it could ever be known. That's why I can't justify the vitriol from any side of this propaganda war. People acting out in an endless spat based on fairly recent events. The origins of which are from spats previous that came from earlier "recent" events.

JohnnyYou » Today, 6:32 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 6:32 am

OK?   There is a Teddy bear and Smiley Face in the key housing? It's a push button switch?   I don't know how you stay sober.

https://i.postimg.cc/DyfTvhNb/image.png

It's a mystery, but I do.

I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned the "Jews created proxies" trope.

Proxies have been utilized since the times of antiquity. A useful tool.

What the OP doesn't explain is the outcome in this case. Yes, Russia is on their heels and not one American soldier has lost his life due to this war. One of the main reasons for using proxies to destabilize a country.

The Pro Russian narrative doesn't bother to tell everyone that Russia utilizes proxies as a central pillar of it's foreign policy.

America using proxies= BAD!
Everyone else using proxies= GOOD!

The long game is working.

DeezerShoove » Today, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 6:39 am

Seems to be exactly why our constitution, the very structure of our country, is set up with the House and the Senate.
One has a voice as loud as the population and one has the exact same representation per boundary.
This forces a balance to mob rule and fleeting popularity.

Russia is the Alaska in this globally. Singapore is Rhode Island.   

The Russkis have been at battle with their borders forever. Defensive and untrusting.
Again, who can blame them? But they haven't oh-so-wonderful and noble either.

Back to the question of the chicken or the egg... Hatfield and McCoys...
Who started what and how long ago was it? That part is the mystery and probably not worth knowing if it could ever be known. That's why I can't justify the vitriol from any side of this propaganda war. People acting out in an endless spat based on fairly recent events. The origins of which are from spats previous that came from earlier "recent" events.

Russia started over in 1991. Anything before that, all dibbs are rescinded.

Cannonpointer » Today, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:23 pm

Russia started over in 1991. Anything before that, all dibbs are rescinded.

Glasnost..

DeezerShoove » Today, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 6:39 am

Seems to be exactly why our constitution, the very structure of our country, is set up with the House and the Senate.
One has a voice as loud as the population and one has the exact same representation per boundary.
This forces a balance to mob rule and fleeting popularity.

Russia is the Alaska in this globally. Singapore is Rhode Island.   

The Russkis have been at battle with their borders forever. Defensive and untrusting.
Again, who can blame them? But they haven't oh-so-wonderful and noble either.

Back to the question of the chicken or the egg... Hatfield and McCoys...
Who started what and how long ago was it? That part is the mystery and probably not worth knowing if it could ever be known. That's why I can't justify the vitriol from any side of this propaganda war. People acting out in an endless spat based on fairly recent events. The origins of which are from spats previous that came from earlier "recent" events.

Disclosure Day premiers June 12..
 

Fuelman » Today, 9:40 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:40 am

I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned the "Jews created proxies" trope.

Proxies have been utilized since the times of antiquity. A useful tool.

What the OP doesn't explain is the outcome in this case. Yes, Russia is on their heels and not one American soldier has lost his life due to this war. One of the main reasons for using proxies to destabilize a country.

The Pro Russian narrative doesn't bother to tell everyone that Russia utilizes proxies as a central pillar of it's foreign policy.

America using proxies= BAD!
Everyone else using proxies= GOOD!

The long game is working.

It's interesting that the Russians are using proxies to destabilize countries as a central pillar of their foreign policy. I was actually unaware of that - thank you for the information. I guess the information would be even MORE valuable if you maybe named one of those proxies.

The reason I see America using proxies as bad is that what America is pushing is gender perversion and counterfeit money. The other reason it's bad (to me) is that I want to see the empire folded up and the republic ressurected. 

The reason I see everyone else using proxies as good, I will leave to you to explain. You're the one who made it up. 

After you've explained what countries Russia is using proxies to destabilize and explained to me why I am such a fan of everyone else using proxies, maybe you'd be willing to say more about the "jew created proxy" trope. I'm not exactly a hebophile, and I've never heard that one. 
 

DeezerShoove » Yesterday, 7:22 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 7:22 pm

Tell me more about myself.

What he^ said, @Fuelman  

Cannonpointer » Today, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:23 pm

Russia started over in 1991. Anything before that, all dibbs are rescinded.

Hitler said, "I'm sorry." so he could go to heaven.  

Ukraine just rolled back into Stepnohirsk and is hitting targets deep inside Russia. The Ukrainian military is literally taking ground back while Russian air defenses are getting punched in the teeth. Every credible outlet is reporting Ukrainian advances and Russian infrastructure getting hammered. 

Ukraine retakes Stepnohirsk from Russian forces after special operation (RBC Ukraine)
Ukraine retakes Stepnohirsk amid deep strikes in Russia (MSN)
Ukraine claims control of Stepnohirsk in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, military intelligence says (The Kyiv Independent)
Ukraine Recaptures Stepnohirsk, Key Village Near Zaporizhzhia (GrayscaleInsight)
The Armed Forces of Ukraine recaptured the outskirts of Stepnohirsk (UNN / DeepState)
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 9:52 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 9:52 pm

It's interesting that the Russians are using proxies to destabilize countries as a central pillar of their foreign policy. I was actually unaware of that - thank you for the information. I guess the information would be even MORE valuable if you maybe named one of those proxies.

The reason I see America using proxies as bad is that what America is pushing is gender perversion and counterfeit money. The other reason it's bad (to me) is that I want to see the empire folded up and the republic ressurected. 

The reason I see everyone else using proxies as good, I will leave to you to explain. You're the one who made it up. 

After you've explained what countries Russia is using proxies to destabilize and explained to me why I am such a fan of everyone else using proxies, maybe you'd be willing to say more about the "jew created proxy" trope. I'm not exactly a hebophile, and I've never heard that one.

You are out here acting like Russia using proxies is some fantasy someone made up when the entire planet has watched Russia run separatists in Ukraine run breakaway regions in Georgia and Moldova run mercenaries across Africa and run cyber cutouts everywhere from the Baltics to the United States and the only reason you are pretending to be confused is because admitting you did not know any of that would shatter the little narrative you are clinging to. You want to lecture people about empires and republics while you cannot even name the groups Russia has been using for decades and now you are trying to flip it like someone else invented it because you got caught talking out of your depth. These are classic Russian proxies: armed, funded, trained, and politically controlled.

• Donetsk People’s Republic
• Luhansk People’s Republic
• Transnistria
• Abkhazia
• South Ossetia

These groups exist because of Russian military, financial, and political backing.

Paramilitary and Mercenary ProxiesThese operate where Russia wants deniability.

• Wagner Group
• Redut PMC
• Patriot PMC
• Rusich Sabotage Group

Used in: Mali, Libya, Sudan, CAR, Mozambique, Syria, Ukraine, and more.

Political Influence and Intelligence CutoutsThese are non‑military proxies used for destabilization.

• Internet Research Agency
• Foundation for the Battle of Values
• Rossotrudnichestvo networks
• Night Wolves motorcycle club

Used for influence ops, political agitation, and soft‑power pressure.

Cyber Proxies (GRU‑linked or FSB‑linked)These groups conduct cyberattacks while giving Russia plausible deniability.

• Sandworm
• Fancy Bear
• Cozy Bear
• Killnet

Targets include Ukraine, the Baltics, the EU, and the United States.

Middle East ProxiesRussia uses militias and contractors to support the Assad regime and secure resources.

• Syrian National Defense Forces
• Liwa al Quds
• Wagner‑aligned oilfield security groups
  
  African Proxies (Wagner and Successor Groups)

• Used for coups, regime protection, mining concessions, and anti‑Western influence.
• Mali Wagner detachments
• CAR Wagner detachments
• These are documented by UN Security Council reports.
• Sudan Wagner networks
• Libya Wagner forces
• Mozambique Wagner forces

"I guess the information would be even MORE valuable if you maybe named one of those proxies."......  
 

MR-7 » 55 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

55 minutes ago

You are out here acting like Russia using proxies is some fantasy someone made up when the entire planet has watched Russia run separatists in Ukraine run breakaway regions in Georgia and Moldova run mercenaries across Africa and run cyber cutouts everywhere from the Baltics to the United States and the only reason you are pretending to be confused is because admitting you did not know any of that would shatter the little narrative you are clinging to. You want to lecture people about empires and republics while you cannot even name the groups Russia has been using for decades and now you are trying to flip it like someone else invented it because you got caught talking out of your depth. These are classic Russian proxies: armed, funded, trained, and politically controlled.

• Donetsk People’s Republic
• Luhansk People’s Republic
• Transnistria
• Abkhazia
• South Ossetia

These groups exist because of Russian military, financial, and political backing.

Paramilitary and Mercenary ProxiesThese operate where Russia wants deniability.

• Wagner Group
• Redut PMC
• Patriot PMC
• Rusich Sabotage Group

Used in: Mali, Libya, Sudan, CAR, Mozambique, Syria, Ukraine, and more.

Political Influence and Intelligence CutoutsThese are non‑military proxies used for destabilization.

• Internet Research Agency
• Foundation for the Battle of Values
• Rossotrudnichestvo networks
• Night Wolves motorcycle club

Used for influence ops, political agitation, and soft‑power pressure.

Cyber Proxies (GRU‑linked or FSB‑linked)These groups conduct cyberattacks while giving Russia plausible deniability.

• Sandworm
• Fancy Bear
• Cozy Bear
• Killnet

Targets include Ukraine, the Baltics, the EU, and the United States.

Middle East ProxiesRussia uses militias and contractors to support the Assad regime and secure resources.

• Syrian National Defense Forces
• Liwa al Quds
• Wagner‑aligned oilfield security groups
  
  African Proxies (Wagner and Successor Groups)

• Used for coups, regime protection, mining concessions, and anti‑Western influence.
• Mali Wagner detachments
• CAR Wagner detachments
• These are documented by UN Security Council reports.
• Sudan Wagner networks
• Libya Wagner forces
• Mozambique Wagner forces

"I guess the information would be even MORE valuable if you maybe named one of those proxies."......

Have you heard from @roadkill  ?  I think he had an interaction with a hotel room window.  Either that or his conscription came up and he is dead meat on the front line.