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it is the christians who say israel belongs to the jews. without their support israel would not be able to wake up everyday and kill everyone they want to.

jerrab » 13 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

13 minutes ago

it is the christians who say israel belongs to the jews. without their support israel would not be able to wake up everyday and kill everyone they want to.

bring the source, the data, the statement, the anything. If you can’t back it up, it’s just noise.
 

MR-7 » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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bring the source, the data, the statement, the anything. If you can’t back it up, it’s just noise.

 ask @ROG62   he will tell you.

MR-7 » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

10 minutes ago

bring the source, the data, the statement, the anything. If you can’t back it up, it’s just noise.

• Zionism: Modern Zionism was founded in the late 19th century as a response to European antisemitism, leading to the establishment of Israel as a Jewish homeland in 1948 following the Holocaust. [1, 2]
• Biblical References: Some Israeli officials have referenced biblical stories of "Amalek" to describe the current conflict, which critics interpret as genocidal rhetoric. [1, 2]
• Land Ownership: Historically, Israeli laws since the 1950s have transferred large amounts of land formerly belonging to displaced Palestinians into State ownership

jerrab » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

7 minutes ago

 ask @ROG62   he will tell you.

But I'm asking you. You started the thread.
 

MR-7 » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

10 minutes ago

bring the source, the data, the statement, the anything. If you can’t back it up, it’s just noise.

Many Christians, particularly within Evangelical and Dispensationalist traditions, believe that the land of Israel belongs exclusively and perpetually to the Jewish people. [1, 2]

• The Covenant: They interpret the Old Testament literally, pointing to the covenants made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God's promise of the land to the descendants of Abraham is seen as eternal and unconditional. [1, 2, 3]
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MR-7 » 18 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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But I'm asking you. You started the thread

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Many Christians, particularly within Evangelical and Dispensationalist traditions, believe that the land of Israel belongs exclusively and perpetually to the Jewish people

MR-7 » 18 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

18 minutes ago

But I'm asking you. You started the thread.

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• Biblical References: Some Israeli officials have referenced biblical stories of "Amalek" to describe the current conflict, which critics interpret as genocidal rhetoric. [1, 2]
• Land Ownership: Historically, Israeli laws since the 1950s have transferred large amounts of land formerly belonging to displaced Palestinians into State ownership

MR-7 » 33 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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bring the source, the data, the statement, the anything. If you can’t back it up, it’s just noise.

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Evangelical and Christian Zionist Support
Many Evangelical Christians, particularly in the United States, strongly support Israel's actions in Gaza. This perspective, known as Christian Zionism, is often rooted in the theological belief that the modern state of Israel plays a central role in biblical prophecy. Supporters view the conflict as a necessary defense against terrorism and frequently advocate for unconditional military and political backing of Israel

jerrab » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

Many Christians, particularly within Evangelical and Dispensationalist traditions, believe that the land of Israel belongs exclusively and perpetually to the Jewish people

Cool story. Now show me the data. Not ‘many Christians believe…’I want actual numbers, surveys, citations, anything measurable. If you’re going to claim an entire religious tradition is single‑handedly responsible for modern geopolitics, you’d better have something stronger than your Slack jaw opinion. So go ahead....bring the poll, the study, the policy, the statement, the anything. If all you’ve got is ‘many Christians believe…   

MR-7 » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

Cool story. Now show me the data. Not ‘many Christians believe…’I want actual numbers, surveys, citations, anything measurable. If you’re going to claim an entire religious tradition is single‑handedly responsible for modern geopolitics, you’d better have something stronger than your Slack jaw opinion. So go ahead....bring the poll, the study, the policy, the statement, the anything. If all you’ve got is ‘many Christians believe… 

Captain Agnostic ^^^^^^

MR-7 » 16 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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Cool story. Now show me the data. Not ‘many Christians believe…’I want actual numbers, surveys, citations, anything measurable. If you’re going to claim an entire religious tradition is single‑handedly responsible for modern geopolitics, you’d better have something stronger than your Slack jaw opinion. So go ahead....bring the poll, the study, the policy, the statement, the anything. If all you’ve got is ‘many Christians believe… 

all you do is prove you don't like facts.

 

JohnnyYou » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

7 minutes ago

Captain Agnostic ^^^^^^

Doesn't matter Slack Jaw. Either back it up or it's just your opinion....bring the poll, the study, the policy, the statement, the anything. 
 

MR-7 » 21 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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Cool story. Now show me the data. Not ‘many Christians believe…’I want actual numbers, surveys, citations, anything measurable. If you’re going to claim an entire religious tradition is single‑handedly responsible for modern geopolitics, you’d better have something stronger than your Slack jaw opinion. So go ahead....bring the poll, the study, the policy, the statement, the anything. If all you’ve got is ‘many Christians believe… 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Why do Evangelicals support Israel?Historically, some American Evangelicals support Israel due to verses like Genesis 12:2-3, which reads “I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curse thee.” They claim that the establishment of the state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. Since Christian Zionists are the biggest religious group in the country, exceeding Catholics and other mainline Protestants, and accounting for 23% of the electorate, U.S. governments cannot ignore their demands. According to dispensationalist theology, humanity is currently in the last dispensation of the Book of Revelation, that is to say, we are experiencing the end times. Evangelical Christians claim that the Second Coming of Christ can only occur after the fulfillment of certain prophecies.

MR-7 » 51 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

51 minutes ago

But I'm asking you. You started the thread.

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but Christians have generally been much stronger in condemning Hamas than condemning Israel. And many seem to be supporting the genocide in Gaza,

Christians and Israel


The positive Christian attitude towards Israel is based on statements in the Old Testament, where God promises to give the land of Canaan to the Israelite people (e.g. Genesis 15:18-21, Jeremiah 32:36-42). Many Christians see the promises renewed in the New Testament, though I don’t see that (see below).So pro-Israel Christians see the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 as the first step in God’s re-establishment of God’s people in their own land, in accordance with prophecy – even though Israel is currently a secular state, they believe that one day the nation will return to God. Some see efforts to oppose Israel as anti-God or even demonic.These beliefs seem to go well beyond the view that Israel, like other countries, has the right to defend itself. These Christians seem to support Israel’s actions that go far beyond defence, and have been called “terrorism” or genocidal.  
 

without cristian support the genocide in gaza would have ended long ago.

jerrab » Today, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 11:03 am

Many Christians, particularly within Evangelical and Dispensationalist traditions, believe that the land of Israel belongs exclusively and perpetually to the Jewish people. [1, 2]

• The Covenant: They interpret the Old Testament literally, pointing to the covenants made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God's promise of the land to the descendants of Abraham is seen as eternal and unconditional. [1, 2, 3]
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He's not asking you to prove the fake Christian rodents are ultimately behind the genocide.

He's one of the rodents.

He wants "proof" there's a genocide.

And no dead babies. Those are just human shields, murdered by their parents for heavenly virgins.

Okay, go!

MR-7 » 47 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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Cool story. Now show me the data. Not ‘many Christians believe…’I want actual numbers, surveys, citations, anything measurable. If you’re going to claim an entire religious tradition is single‑handedly responsible for modern geopolitics, you’d better have something stronger than your Slack jaw opinion. So go ahead....bring the poll, the study, the policy, the statement, the anything. If all you’ve got is ‘many Christians believe… 

You're not being honest. You're being a democ rat. A black vegetable democ rat. "Prove it! Prove it!" - all the time having no intention of being an honest broker. No intention of accepting any evidence - just the intention of niggling and squiggling and lawyering and leftisting. 

Hagee represents an enormous swath of protestantism - and the people whose minds he poisons are full-tilt behind israel's genocide against the palestinians. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qng4sj-c6mg
 
 

Cannonpointer » 27 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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He's not asking you to prove the fake Christian rodents are ultimately behind the genocide.

He's one of the rodents.

He wants "proof" there's a genocide.

And no dead babies. Those are just human shields, murdered by their parents for heavenly virgins. He will deny there is a genocide thrice before the cock crows.

Okay, go! Prove to a zionist neocon that israel is committing genocide! Hurry!

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The ongoing genocide in Gaza is a collective crime, sustained by the complicity of influential Third States that have enabled longstanding systemic violations of international law by Israel. Framed by colonial narratives that dehumanize the Palestinians, this live- streamed atrocity has been facilitated through Third States’ direct support, material aid, diplomatic protection and, in some cases, active participation. It has exposed an unprecedented chasm between peoples and their governments, betraying the trust on which global peace and security rest. The world now stands on a knife-edge between the collapse of the international rule of law and hope for renewal. Renewal is only possible if complicity is confronted, responsibilities are met and justice is upheld.I. Introduction:

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/spe ... e-20oct25/