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Why modern debate methods are useless. You end up like Charlie Kirk, K'fools, and BV. Hence, no truth.
Why modern debate methods are useless. You end up like Charlie Kirk, K'fools, and BV. Hence, no truth.
By Vegas
17 Jun 2026 11:36 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
17 Jun 2026 11:35 am
I read a lot of ancient Greek philosophy. I believe they understood what debate meant. Their one goal was to arrive at the truth. Even if it was a small bit. They considered that an enormous victory. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras ( highly intelligent, but also an asshole), Parmenides, Zeno, and many others had only one goal when debating. To help each other arrive at the truth. If they arrived at an irrefutable conclusion, then they all won. If not, then they kept trying.
Today? It's about a winner and a loser. It's not about finding the truth. Hell, someone can be completely full of ****, but still declared a winner of a debate simply because they talk cunningly and know how to manipulate the conversation more than their opponent. Yet, they are still full of ****.
The most common tactic that thse ignorant sleazy fools use these days is to respond to questions with questions, avoid answering directly, and make the other person defend themselves instead.
We all know @Blackvegetable does this. K'fools (Andrew Wilson) does it repeatedly. Charlie Kirk did it incessantly.
Today? It's about a winner and a loser. It's not about finding the truth. Hell, someone can be completely full of ****, but still declared a winner of a debate simply because they talk cunningly and know how to manipulate the conversation more than their opponent. Yet, they are still full of ****.
The most common tactic that thse ignorant sleazy fools use these days is to respond to questions with questions, avoid answering directly, and make the other person defend themselves instead.
We all know @Blackvegetable does this. K'fools (Andrew Wilson) does it repeatedly. Charlie Kirk did it incessantly.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
17 Jun 2026 12:08 pm
Give me an example of Kirk repeatedly doing that.....he relied on logic and reason to establish truth as he laid waste to the libtards.Vegas » 17 Jun 2026, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑ I read a lot of ancient Greek philosophy. I believe they understood what debate meant. Their one goal was to arrive at the truth. Even if it was a small bit. They considered that an enormous victory. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras ( highly intelligent, but also an asshole), Parmenides, Zeno, and many others had only one goal when debating. To help each other arrive at the truth. If they arrived at an irrefutable conclusion, then they all won. If not, then they kept trying.
Today? It's about a winner and a loser. It's not about finding the truth. Hell, someone can be completely full of ****, but still declared a winner of a debate simply because they talk cunningly and know how to manipulate the conversation more than their opponent. Yet, they are still full of ****.
The most common tactic that thse ignorant sleazy fools use these days is to respond to questions with questions, avoid answering directly, and make the other person defend themselves instead.
We all know @Blackvegetable does this. K'fools (Andrew Wilson) does it repeatedly. Charlie Kirk did it incessantly.
17 Jun 2026 12:28 pm
:rofl:RebelGator » 17 Jun 2026, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑ Give me an example of Kirk repeatedly doing that.....he relied on logic and reason to establish truth as he laid waste to the libtards.
17 Jun 2026 12:47 pm
RebelGator » 17 Jun 2026, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑ Give me an example of Kirk repeatedly doing that.....he relied on logic and reason to establish truth as he laid waste to the libtards.
The **** he did. I lost count of how many times a student would ask him a question, then he turned it around to ask him the same **** question that the student asked so he could see the student's position, then drill the student. So afterward, Kirk never answered. It was ridiculous. I am not claiming he did that every time, but he did it enough to prove that he prefers to be dishonest over being humble. If one does not know the answer to something, then so what? We all are ignorant of things. The humble ones will admit it. The dishonest ones will pull off these lame tactics.
And no. I am not going to spend time in YouTube finding 600k examples for you.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
17 Jun 2026 12:48 pm
If anyone knows about responding to questions with questions, it's you. Maybe you taught him.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
17 Jun 2026 3:11 pm
Vegas » 17 Jun 2026, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑ The **** he did. I lost count of how many times a student would ask him a question, then he turned it around to ask him the same **** question that the student asked so he could see the student's position, then drill the student. So afterward, Kirk never answered. It was ridiculous. I am not claiming he did that every time, but he did it enough to prove that he prefers to be dishonest over being humble. If one does not know the answer to something, then so what? We all are ignorant of things. The humble ones will admit it. The dishonest ones will pull off these lame tactics.
And no. I am not going to spend time in YouTube finding 600k examples for you.
To ask a QUESTION to understand the position one is coming from is a BRILLIANT debate technique and Charlie Kirk used it BRILLIANTY and then once he fully understood you reasoning, he completely DISMANTLED THE FLAWS IN YOUR IDEAS.
Sucks you are too **** STUPID to realize that YOU are the "I must win" **** that can't accept LOSING in your "3rd party candidate" ****!!
!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
17 Jun 2026 3:13 pm
Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2026, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑ To ask a QUESTION to understand the position one is coming from is a BRILLIANT debate technique and Charlie Kirk used it BRILLIANTY and then once he fully understood you reasoning, he completely DISMANTLED THE FLAWS IN YOUR IDEAS.
Sucks you are too **** STUPID to realize that YOU are the "I must win" **** that can't accept LOSING in your "3rd party candidate" ****!!
You just proved my point. Kirk is asked a question about his position on topic X. Kirk turns it around and asks his opponent's position on it. Yeah, that's some brilliant debate technique. You have seen BV's threads. You have seen how he does this. Why would you even say all of that crap.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
17 Jun 2026 3:27 pm
#feelsthreatened
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Libruls are often fascists on vacation..."
17 Jun 2026 3:29 pm
I completely agree. He definitely sought out exactly what the person was stating and then made his rebuttal point in a respectful direct manner…Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2026, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑ To ask a QUESTION to understand the position one is coming from is a BRILLIANT debate technique and Charlie Kirk used it BRILLIANTY and then once he fully understood you reasoning, he completely DISMANTLED THE FLAWS IN YOUR IDEAS.
Sucks you are too **** STUPID to realize that YOU are the "I must win" **** that can't accept LOSING in your "3rd party candidate" ****!!
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Libruls are often fascists on vacation..."
17 Jun 2026 3:32 pm
The difference is Kirk’s rebuttal was formulated once it was made clear and stated. brown just asks more stupid questions then sprints away…Vegas » 17 Jun 2026, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑
You have seen BV's threads. You have seen how he does this. Why would you even say all of that crap.
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Libruls are often fascists on vacation..."
17 Jun 2026 4:03 pm
Vegas » 17 Jun 2026, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑
You have seen BV's threads. You have seen how he does this. Why would you even say all of that crap.
BV and even YOU ask "Trap questions" to win some stupid point. Kirk ASK HOW YOU CAME TO YOUR POSTITION, not TRAP QUESTIONS!!
You're a **** IDIOT, CUPCAKE!! A REAL PUMPKIN!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
17 Jun 2026 5:02 pm
17 Jun 2026 5:04 pm
How about a link?ROG62 » 17 Jun 2026, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑ The difference is Kirk’s rebuttal was formulated once it was made clear and stated. brown just asks more stupid questions then sprints away…
17 Jun 2026 5:09 pm
YOU NEVER GIVE LINKS
17 Jun 2026 5:58 pm
Don't make it about him . . .
He'll crow. Then cry...
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
17 Jun 2026 7:42 pm
How about a link to you answering a question after the first time asked?
1. Do I need to bother?
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
18 Jun 2026 4:56 am
Truth starts with facts....Vegas » 17 Jun 2026, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑ I read a lot of ancient Greek philosophy. I believe they understood what debate meant. Their one goal was to arrive at the truth. Even if it was a small bit. They considered that an enormous victory. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras ( highly intelligent, but also an asshole), Parmenides, Zeno, and many others had only one goal when debating. To help each other arrive at the truth. If they arrived at an irrefutable conclusion, then they all won. If not, then they kept trying.
Today? It's about a winner and a loser. It's not about finding the truth. Hell, someone can be completely full of ****, but still declared a winner of a debate simply because they talk cunningly and know how to manipulate the conversation more than their opponent. Yet, they are still full of ****.
The most common tactic that thse ignorant sleazy fools use these days is to respond to questions with questions, avoid answering directly, and make the other person defend themselves instead.
We all know @Blackvegetable does this. K'fools (Andrew Wilson) does it repeatedly. Charlie Kirk did it incessantly.
18 Jun 2026 4:57 am
That's piquantROG62 » 17 Jun 2026, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑ The difference is Kirk’s rebuttal was formulated once it was made clear and stated. brown just asks more stupid questions then sprints away…
What a **** idiot
18 Jun 2026 5:31 am
Oh well, at least the economic survivorship multiple choice debate seems to be over.
Good to "C" you BV.
Maybe you and I should debate something.. And we could both do it in seven words or less sentences.
I'll start..
"Gosh @Vegas is one smart dude"
DUMP THE TRUMP SLUMP 2026!
Bump Caps Recommended..
Bump Caps Recommended..
18 Jun 2026 5:32 am
Listed in multiple choice format. 7 words or less..
Trump Sucks.
DUMP THE TRUMP SLUMP 2026!
Bump Caps Recommended..
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