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Jill Biden has a doctoral degree.
Melanie Trump has a history of nude modelling and plagiarism.

I think Jill will be the better First Lady.

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JeanMoulin Aug 18, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 19, 2020 12:57pm

Termin8tor » 19 Aug 2020, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2020, 9:43 am

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The boom refers to pre-Covid, 

There is no "boom," sparky.  It's gone (just like Trump).

and the economy sucks because Democrat-governed states are still locked down, going against the actual science.

Actual science states we SHOULD be locked down in many parts of the country.  This virus is a serious health emergency.  I live in a "Democrat-governed state" and we're still locked down in many ways (no indoor restaurants, bars, etc).  But we have a 6.6% unemployment rate.  Testing is at a 2.3% positivity rate (compared to 15-20% in Florida).  We're holding this virus at bay.

My EXCELLENT Democratic governor will not open up until it's safe to do so.  Unlike idiots like Ron DeSantis, she's not going to sacrifice the citizens of my state for Trump's ****.  She's listening to the doctors.  

And my list is factual

Your list is tinfoil hat nonsense.  

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Olivaw Aug 18, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 19, 2020 8:53am

Huey » 19 Aug 2020, 1:52 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2020, 1:52 pm

Thanks!  Although after a week or more off from posting and reading the nice things people said I just don't have the desire to "fight" with them.  You are ALL good people truth be told.

My Dad would often remark, "People are more important than politics." When it comes down to it almost all of us want a better life for ourselves, our loved ones, and everyone else. We're just arguing over how to get there. Like driving across four states to get to the vacation spot back in the days of paper maps.

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Olivaw Aug 19, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 19, 2020 1:04pm

The obvious answer to “Is the Republican Party just one big scam?” is “Yes,” since the modern Republican Party and its Fox News infrastructure exists just to convince ordinary people that handing over billions more to billionaires is the Real American Way. But in a more specific sense … is it all just tacky fraud and scams all the way down? 

 After all, the last month has seen the New York attorney general move to disband the NRA after showing that "top executives funneled millions into their own pockets." And Jerry Falwell Jr. went on a vacation of unspecified length after the “Christian” leader of Liberty University flashed underwear pics of the sweet life on his yacht.

And now Steve Bannon has been arrested along with other leaders of the We Build The Wall organization after the funds that were sent to them turned out to be funding boats, homes, and whatever Bannon did to run up a tremendous debt. And then, of course, there’s the grifter-in-chief, whose “university” scammed thousands out of their life savings and whose “charity” paid off his golf bets. 

 It seems incredible that behind every Republican scam … is another scam. With the evidence that organizations right at the center of the American right are nothing more than money funnels for a handful of con artists, it’s worth asking: Is there anything at all to the right?

 Across all these scams, the M.O. is the same. They start with a pitch that seems to break down into one of two categories:

• You’re missing out on secrets that can quickly give you an advantage over other people
• Your way of life is being threatened by people who are not like you

These are, of course, the classic basis of scams for centuries. The solution to either of these issues is the same—send money.

 With money, you can defend the right to bear arms! Or … give millions to Wayne LaPierre while hitting members with frantic messages about a critical need for cash.

With money, you can be gifted the secret insight of Donald Trump’s real estate genius. Which … turns out to be being born to someone who leaves you a billion so you can spend your time womanizing and duping people who think you know something.

With money, you can build that wall, even if Congress won’t! Except … instead of building a wall, you can pay off hundreds of thousands of personal debt for Steve Bannon. (And again, just how did the perpetually grubby Bannon run up, at a minimum, hundreds of thousands in personal debt?)

 Steve Bannon is a scam artist. Roger Stone is a scam artist. Paul Manafort is a scam artist. Rudy Giuliani is a scam artist. Jerry Falwell, and Kenneth Copeland, and Joel Osteen, and Paula White, and a long list of other televangelists are scam artists. David Clarke is a scam artist. Alex Jones is a scam artist. David Daleiden is a scam artist. James O'Keefe is a scam artist. 

 A quick glimpse of the boards of any of the organizations involved, or a reference to all the “institutes” and “think tanks” that provide an endless stream of talk show guests, recycled lobbyists, and Republican politicians bouncing around in the safety net shows that the same names come up over and over again.

The same right-wing figures constantly vouch for each other’s importance and knowledge. The same right-wing “experts” are dredged up to give opinions on science, when they know nothing about science, or explain health care, when they have no interest in health care, or simply fill the airwaves with confusion when there’s no better strategy.

 QAnon, with its worldwide conspiracy of Satan-worshipping pedophiles (not to mention its bigfoot and space Nazi offshoots), isn’t true. But it is real—as real as every other scam in the Republican universe.

Right now you can absolutely bet that quite a few someones are pocketing millions over Q-related nonsense. The first of those someones would be scam-daddy Donald Trump, who on Wednesday declared that he really was saving the world from Satanic cannibals.

 But he certainly isn’t the only one. And when Fox News or right-wing radio asks, you can bet there will be a parade of Hoover Institute, Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise experts ready to talk to the Satanpedocannibalistic threat. Space Nazis, too.

The truth is that there is no secret knowledge. Knowledge is available to anyone. It’s just that becoming a real expert on anything requires years of study and experience. It doesn’t come in a weekend seminar, or in a ring-binder priced higher than a Midwestern home.

The truth is also that things change. Places change. Institutions change. Countries change. No one can promise that they won’t. Pretending otherwise is no more than selling snake oil. And of course, Republicans are at that, too. Isn’t that right, My Pillow guy?

Maybe there was a time when the Republican Party stood for something. If so, it’s hard to locate that time.

What’s absolutely clear is at the moment the Republican Party exists only as a marketing organization—a platform for launching scams. The reason that Republicans never get concerned about upholding real knowledge or expertise isn’t secret at all—those things make it more difficult to part fools from their money.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8 ... e-big-scam
 

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nuckin futz Aug 19, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 20, 2020 1:04pm

KFSW » 22 Aug 2020, 3:46 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2020, 3:46 pm

I will pray for you, sad

Tell the board again how you stare at little girls in public pools, staring at their breasts and grunting that they are "hot, big-titted whores" who should be "used".
LITTLE GIRLS.
Groan and rub yourself some more while you fantasize their their "uncles" "got them early" and "wrecked their holes", you horrifying freak.
 

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Coolguy10013 Aug 23, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 22, 2020 5:16pm

Olivaw » 21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am

A compelling and well written post, Phelix.

You are right. We need to be as ruthless as Republicans. Fight this election like it’s our last. Stack the court to restore balance, eliminate the filibuster, pass legislation to curtail administrative excesses, restore voting rights, grant DC statehood, change procedures to force the majority leader to put house bills to a vote, term limits for Supreme Court justices, treat healthcare and food security as basic human rights etc. 

Never again can we allow a man like Moscow Mitch McConnell to use political trickery to subvert the will of the American people.  Never again can we allow an authoritarian kleptocrat like Trump to occupy the Oval Office.

Agreed. No question at all.

Olivaw » 21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am

My concern is for individual conservatives - good people like Cyndi, Rippy and Neue - even Taipan and Neo. Huey appears to be a good guy too. Those people deserve respect. They are not scam artists. They are the victims. For them, I hope they can accept their upcoming disappointment with ease.

I understand your concern. I also am of two minds on this issue.

First, there are people who argue in good faith about policy. They aren't out to score a political point or to hurt anyone. Those people are few and far between. There are others who are here to throw spitballs or just argue for the sake of arguing or really do not dive deeply into policy but are well meaning. It becomes messy very quickly.

I'm not looking to hurt innocents.

Second, I recall something from Abbie Hoffman's "Steal This Book". It touched on the idea of an "innocent bystander" and from memory goes something like, "If you are just standing by, how can you be innocent?"

IMHO, negligence, indifference, apathy, incompetence and ignorance probably creates more harm in the world than absolute evil. If your standing is on those foundations, you're not innocent.

Was Stalin trying to starve millions to death? Did he put an incompetent in charge to purposely kill those people? Does it matter? Those people died terrible deaths regardless of Stalin's motives or reasoning or those of his subordinates.

Not that anyone here is a Stalin. When motives are such that they are used to promote harm to others, that is blameworthy. Is it less blameworthy that your motives were selfish and inner directed? I just don't think that is the case.

Telling the first case from the second case is the trick. It's more an art than a science.

Olivaw » 21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am

There are others that do deserve contempt. Nefarious, Termin8or, str8edge, DitzyShoove. They are driven by  anger and pettiness. Their refuse to respect anybody outside their sick cult disqualifies them as beneficiaries of our respect. For them, I am counting on copious tears in November. 

Racists can crawl back under their rocks and STFU.

Agreed.

Olivaw » 21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2020, 10:29 am

Joe can’t heal the country. We can’t heal it on this forum either. Perhaps we can can make a small difference on the ground. Who knows? It would sure be nice to return to the days when we could disagree with our neighbor on politics without it becoming personal.

It's rare I can find a conservative anymore who hasn't left the GOP that is capable of a reasonable conversation. I'm sure they would make the same complaint on me. I have no solution to this problem.
 

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Olivaw Aug 22, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 21, 2020 5:43pm

I think it is instructive to note that the clown's relatives who have spoken out against him are a respected federal judge and a respected psychologist and author. The ones who stand by him are all grifters just like him.

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DennisTheMenace Aug 24, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 23, 2020 9:36pm

supraTruth » 20 Aug 2020, 9:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2020, 9:06 pm

U proud of being a Putin supporter, Traitor?

Putin killed far fewer people than Obama or Bush or Clinton and he's been in office a lot longer.
 

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KFSW Aug 21, 2020, Cannonpointer Aug 23, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 22, 2020 7:22pm

BlueDevil » 21 Aug 2020, 10:57 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2020, 10:57 pm

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... convention
you trash someone for being more successful than you in YOUR field, then beg him for help.  
 

In a sane country, criticism takes a back seat to the safety of its citizens. 

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Annoyed Liberall Aug 24, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 22, 2020 7:46pm

slideman » 24 Aug 2020, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Aug 2020, 6:48 pm

Broken by slavery and Jim Crow

Every race on the planet has been enslaved. Who gives a ****? Dwelling on historical injustice does nothing but open old wounds suffered by long dead people. American blacks should be thanking their tribal gods their ancestors were enslaved. Those that weren't have to wait in a long line to get into America.
 

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ROG62 Aug 25, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 24, 2020 6:52pm

 

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DennisTheMenace Aug 26, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 26, 2020 8:00am

bludog » 28 Aug 2020, 11:53 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2020, 11:53 am

That's right.  I'm unafraid to speak the truth at times of my own choosing.  But neither will I be forced to make statements at the whims of depraved racists, asking imbecile questions.
Got it racist?

Oh, I got it. When your team mate lies outright, you keep your mouth shut - the silent cosign. Like the people ignoring woody allen's bad acts toward his kids, or harvey weinstein's bad acts toward women. The silent cosign. You countenance your team member misracing a woman as you would NEVER countenance the other team doing. When a member of what you perceive as my team lies, I speak up - as I did when I caught my media lying - and yes, little fella, MSNBC and the rest were MY media back then, as they are yours, now. I once (mistakenly) rubbed my media's honesty in conjobs' faces.

You side with liars and you defend liars - and you pretend that lying so bigly as to whip up public outrage, bullying a governor into funding a show trial managed by the state and circumventing the ordinary due process of law which is managed by the counties is only lying littly, not bigly.

Your colors have been displayed, and this is what you losers always fail to understand. MY win is getting to the truth, yes. But my sop is making you sit in the puddle of effeminate hypocrisy you excrete when you **** your way dishonestly around an issue. WHATEVER the rubes may think, you now have a clearer picture of what you are, and you know who the better man is. You can bluff and bluster otherwise, but the post above is your mark of cain, boy.

She's not black, in the cowardly world you inhabit. She's not black, whatever lies she may tell, however obvious her african heritage is. She's not black. She gets misraced, and you keep your craven yap shut. For team.

Dismissed, boy..
 
 

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Cannonpointer Aug 27, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 28, 2020 12:37pm

August 28, 2020

Fellow Americans,

As Greater Minnesota Mayors from Democratic cities on the Iron Range of Minnesota, we write today to formally endorse the re-election of President Donald J. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence.

Like many in our region, we have voted for Democrats over many decades. We have watched as our constituents' jobs left not only the Iron Range, but our country. By putting tariffs on our products and supporting bad trade deals, politicians like Joe Biden did nothing to help the working class. We lost thousands of jobs, and generations of young people have left the Iron Range in order to provide for their families with good paying jobs elsewhere. Today, we don't recognize the Democratic Party. It has been moved so far to the left it can no longer claim to be advocates of the working class. The hard-working Minnesotans that built their lives and supported their families here on the Range have been abandoned by radical Democrats. We didn’t choose to leave the Democratic Party, the party left us.

Yet, four years ago, something wonderful happened. Donald J. Trump was elected President of the United States, and he stood up to China, implemented tax cuts and fought for the working class. Now, four years later, the Iron Range is roaring back to life and for the first time in a very long time, locals are hopeful because of this President's policies and willingness to fight for us. Lifelong politicians like Joe Biden are out of touch with the working class, out of touch with what the country needs, and out of touch with those of us here on the Iron Range and in small towns like ours across our nation.

In this election, there is a lot at stake, but the biggest risk is our jobs, our economy, and our way of life. President Trump delivered the best economy in our nation’s history, and President Trump will deliver for us again. He will continue to fight for every American, regardless of party affiliation and continue to stand up for the working class.

Today, we write to formally endorse President Donald J. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for four more years.

https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-fil ... mayors.pdf
 

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deezer shoove Aug 28, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 28, 2020 6:54pm

The token Black speakers at the Republican Convention were less for the purpose of attracting Black voters but more with the intent of convincing White Repubicans they are not as racist as the media paints them to be.  The Black speakers at the Convention greatly over-represented compared to the scarcity of Blacks in the Trump Administration.

About 8% of Blacks voted for Trump in 2016 and the number who say they will vote for him again has not changed since the Republican Convention

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Olivaw Aug 30, 2020

Go to original post on Aug 30, 2020 11:16am

A random YouTuber made an astute observation regarding the medical and pharmaceutical industry’s symbol of a divine rod with 2 snakes curled around it. The snakes represent duplicity and deceit, as is the case with today’s mainstream “healthcare” that costs an arm and a leg while delivering almost no cures to chronic issues, while the rod represents hubris and unwarranted pride.

Pharmaceuticals and their legal drug peddlers think of themselves as gods, which is clearly enshrined in legal immunity / indemnification / “tort reform” (Thankfully, tort reform has made little headway) in the event something goes wrong. Indeed, “things go wrong” all the time as medical malpractice kills 250K people per year in America.

A long time ago, I believed that universal healthcare would be good for our nation’s citizens. Being a data junkie, I looked at other countries’ metrics and mistakenly assigned their longevity/superior results to universal healthcare. A rookie mistake in statistics.

It is apparent to me now that those citizens of Japan, Switzerland, etc, live longer not due to UHC, but largely due to healthier lifestyles and consuming actual food instead of industrialized poisons, the results of which modern “medicine” only seeks to mask the symptoms.

Giving everyone more pills “for free” is not going to make them live longer or happier lives. 
 
 

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Annoyed Liberall Sep 01, 2020

Go to original post on Sep 01, 2020 1:36am

Pengwin » 01 Sep 2020, 3:28 am » wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2020, 3:28 am

Yes, that would be wrong since for starters no Christian ever needs to enter a building called a church, ever.

For a supposed carpenter, he was a farmer and shepherd (his father was a stone mason), he never did so much as nail two boards together to build a "church".  He was the church. When you gather in His name with others you are the church, and when you pray alone to God, as dictated by Jesus in the Gospels, you are a practicing Christian.

So, yes, you are wrong.

+100.
Well articulated, cowboy.
I could not have done better.
Your post has my honest respect.
You win the the day.

I am watching "True Grit".  John Wayne.  Kim Darby.  Glen Campbell.
I am a cowboy at heart.
And yes,.....I am drinking beer for breakfast.                                    

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Taipan Sep 01, 2020

Go to original post on Sep 01, 2020 8:30am

RollingRock » 01 Sep 2020, 4:04 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2020, 4:04 pm

Should I threaten to punch people in the face?   Would that be more "manly?"       Maybe call people "***" and "***" like you do?

No thanks.

You should own what you say, lady.

You can't screech for lock down and then exempt rioters, and pretend you have a lucid narrative.

You can't defend the system as NOT systemically racist and pretend you didn't fart in the left's elevator, lady.
 
 

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Cannonpointer Aug 31, 2020

Go to original post on Sep 01, 2020 2:05pm

rippy3838 » 01 Sep 2020, 8:20 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2020, 8:20 pm

You've done it now convict... get ready to be hit with a "where's your proof!" onslaught from this crazy bitch.Then if you offer any kind of verification, she'll call you a "lying whore!"Just watch!LMAO!

For Christ's sake - do you EVER stop blubbering and whining?

Jesus, go ask mommy for your pacifier or your teddy bear or something.
 

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Coolguy10013 Sep 01, 2020

Go to original post on Sep 01, 2020 9:53pm

Well, lets face it, this is what redneck racists have dreamed of ever since they lost the Civil War - a return to the time when they had the right to command and terrorize and murder any black person they see, whenever they feel like it.
 

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simple jack Aug 31, 2020

Go to original post on Sep 01, 2020 7:57pm

omh » 02 Sep 2020, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2020, 12:47 pm

It is why Trump is a lesser of two evils. Follow dishonest laws or lead corrupted people. he played the dishonest laws. you direct outcomes for those leading corrupted people for generations to demand human rights to ignore how life works in plain sight silencing anyone able to counter their hypotheticals with physcial absolutes.

ORR, did he work the honest rules, orchestrating prerequisites on these trailing nuts corrupted across your chin requesting animals be spayed and neutered to heighten awareness of corpses decomposing, hidden but screaming to be found, unable to support their theories with empirical data?

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Annoyed Liberall Sep 02, 2020

Go to original post on Sep 02, 2020 12:53pm