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Neo » 26 Apr 2022, 6:45 am » wrote: ↑

26 Apr 2022, 6:45 am

He's obviously not anti large government but he has a history of being pro speech. Even speech that might hurt a feeling or two. I don't see him as a savior for the first ammendment but perhaps he can reverse the direction Twitter has taken over the past 6 years.

In the immediate circumstance, I have no argument against your position. I'm asking about Musk's role in our society in a larger context, and I am arguing that he is a mightly leaky vessel for the right to be loading with the precious cargo of its aspirations for a more just society. He's a money boy - part of the problem, not part of the solution. 

It seems to me that today's conservative is quickly evolving to be a post-Reagan conservative. This notion that one fellow has a "right" to hundreds of billions because he "earned" them seems to be waning in the conservative world view. At least, I hope it is. At some point, people need to grow up and acknowledge that no one person is providing more value than the country of Lichtenstein or the country of Bulgaria - not in the world of ratonal adults.

There are 211 countries on the planet. Only the top 11 produce in the trillions. All of the rest, save Turks and Caicos, produce in the billions (T&C produces in the hundreds of millions). The top 53 produce above 200 billion. That means that Elon Musk's net worth is above the annual production of 158 nation states. Arguably, quite a number more. I am only placing his net worth at 200 billion - and as I understand it, the number is considerably higher. So the question arises: I this incredible (pre-Reagan unthinkable) disparity a product of a just system, or the product of pillage? And if it is the product of pillage, is Elon Musk not then by definition a pillager? And if he is a pillager, how, then, ought we to look at him as a friend of the working man - a person whose interests converge with those of working families?

The Democrats represented working families under FDR - right through to Clinton. Then they found their "third way." And they abandoned their base, becoming friends of wall street. They scooched the Republicans and shared a bench for a bit. And now, the Republicans have been scooched mightily - to the point that democrats are getting a great deal more wall street money than Republicans. And so it behooves the Republican party to make a choice. It is my hope that the Republican party will follow the lead of folks like DeSantis and Perry, and begin responding to the needs and interests of working families - the abandoned base of the Democrat party. And to do that effectively, they need to be internally consistent in their thinking - not serving two masters. I believe that the Elon Musk phenomenon is the very embodiment of the psychological predicment in which the Republican party finds itself. And you can see the schizophrenia of today's Republican writ large in this issue. Musk is "our" Soros - so he's a good guy. Soros is "their" Musk - so he's a bad guy.

Musk and Soros are two of a kind - that is my argument in a nutshell. Neither is a friend of working families.

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SJConspirator Apr 25, 2022

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Skans » 24 May 2022, 10:51 pm » wrote: ↑

24 May 2022, 10:51 pm

No it doesn't.  It takes a strong mind to stay the F-away from ALL DOPE!  You think its a big joke.  This is why so many kids think its a big joke too.  We are weak and addicted and foreigners are finding far more powerful ways to get us addicted to poison.   Screw all of y'all who do drugs!  And don't punish the **** out of any child of yours who even thinks of trying this ****.

These are statements made in ignorance. There is nothing whatsoever addictive about LSD or mushrooms. Humankind have used psychadelics in spiritual practice for as long as they've been painting on cave walls. The native Americans used mushrooms, peyote and other psychadelics as part of their coming of age rituals.

Skans » 24 May 2022, 10:51 pm » wrote: ↑

24 May 2022, 10:51 pm

Anytime you rely on a man made chemical to "expand your mind", "see new things", etc, you are depriving your soul of seeking out real, genuine experiences that spiritually excite you to the core.

Man did not make mushrooms or peyote or many other psychoactive plants That was all God, before He made Adam - and God don't make no junk.

Skans » 24 May 2022, 10:51 pm » wrote: ↑

24 May 2022, 10:51 pm

Where I might need to jump from an airplane, set sail in a torrential storm, twist the throttle wide open on my motorcycle  to get that adrenaline rush, I walk away with my life and real experiences.  With chemicals, you chase an empty and vapid existence, and possibly an addicted one as well.

Again, statements made in ignorance. Everything you just named is as dangerous as drugs, and all of the mechanisms by which you got those experiences are man-made - unlike many of the psychoactive substances which were planted in the Garden before Adam was made a steward over them. The very argument you incorrectly asserted against psychoactives is true of the things you proposed as alternatives.

Nothing wrong with your attitude that shrooming once wouldn't correct.
 
 

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SJConspirator May 24, 2022

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DeezerShoove » 31 May 2022, 10:40 pm » wrote: ↑

31 May 2022, 10:40 pm

No doubt assholes populate churches too.

I'm just saying if a belief in God trends toward some people acting better, what's wrong with that?
Church-goers are not what I'm referring to at all... maybe not even "religion" per se.

...an actual belief in God.

the most devout, fanatical zealots flew planes into into the twin towers.

defenders of the faith have always been the MOST violent.

how many atheist terrorists do you know of?

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Cannonpointer May 31, 2022

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DeezerShoove » 31 May 2022, 10:40 pm » wrote: ↑

31 May 2022, 10:40 pm

No doubt assholes populate churches too.

I'm just saying if a belief in God trends toward some people acting better, what's wrong with that?
Church-goers are not what I'm referring to at all... maybe not even "religion" per se.

...an actual belief in God.

the most devout, fanatical zealots flew planes into into the twin towers.

defenders of the faith have always been the MOST violent.

how many atheist terrorists do you know of?

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Cannonpointer May 31, 2022

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I had to go with FOS. 

@Annoyed Liberall  , you know I love ya! So don't take it personally. But you need to understand that a woman stands no chance against a man when it comes to intellect. I mean, women are better at making sandwiches and cleaning, but when it comes to IQ, the good lord graced men with that trait.

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Cannonpointer Jun 14, 2022

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SJConspirator » 19 Jun 2022, 8:45 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022, 8:45 pm

I don’t understand, cuz you are vague.

“the right of self defense” is almost meaningless without more context.  Self defense includes the right to kick a guy in the nuts?  Shoot him if he is threatening you?  Blow up his house?  What, exactly?

My best friends dad, when we were growing up had a safe bigger than a gym locker.  He kept some awesome firearms in there, including a mac 11 and a fully automatic uzi.  The question here is, did the founders intend for the “right to bear arms” have any limitations on what KIND of “arms”, they didn’t specify…

the OP could very well be correct.  If the founders did not have any qualms about citizens privately owning weaponry capable of ANY level of destruction, then we should all own nuclear weapons.  But we cannot, legally, due to the NPT of which the US is signatory.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on ... ar_Weapons

Nor can a civilian legally buy a fighter jet like the F22.
however, we can legally own tanks, guns of any caliber, etc.  

Changing technology calls for re-examining old laws from time to time.  As far as restrictions of WMD in the hands of civilians, I think we are at a good place right now.  Do you?

I don't feel I'm being "vague" at all.

The right of self-defense is exactly what it says: the right to defend yourself if you are attacked.  If we have a right to life then we have the right to defend that life, and by extension the right to possess the most effective means by which to conduct that defense.

The discussion of Nuclear Arms inevitably makes me sigh; because yes, the Constitution does protect "arms".  Sadly, we let the government do whatever it wanted to without challenge, when we should have demanded an honest and in depth discussion of the full breadth of the Second Amendment's guarantees once arms became as destructive as some modern ordnance has become.

In a discussion of the Founders, their intent is clearly illustrated in their writings.  Jefferson stated that he felt it was "every American's right and duty to be at all times armed."  They believed that the people themselves were part of the system of checks and balances, and if it came right down to it the idea that every American had access to access to equivalent armament to the average soldier.

As Tench Coxe so eloquently said: 

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

You say that "changing technology calls for re-examining old laws from time to time."  I say that while you might be right, the Constitution cannot be ignored simply because one finds it inconvenient.  If we are to place restrictions upon a right that "shall not be infringed", then a Constitutional Amendment becomes necessary IMHO.  Certainly, I don't think nuclear weapons should be in the hands of just anyone; but when it comes to small arms I do truly believe that all citizens do have the right to be armed, including with weapons such as the select-fire M4 that currently arms the majority of our troops.
 

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Hillary Clinton Jun 19, 2022

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Cannonpointer Jul 09, 2022

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JinnMartini » 28 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm

Countries something 

Do we have any clue If they are among us and why ?

I think they are   . . .  their main bases hiding behind Venus,  Jupiter or Saturn or further away !

BUT  WHY ?

Well, my guess is they fear us !

Our technology may soon match their own  . . .  posing a threat to their hegemony !
Unless we destroy ourownselves !
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What about all this nonsense of  ONE tiny little earth and  270 something countries ?

ALL FIGHTING EACH OTHER !

This just cant be real! 

We´re being maipulated for sure !

They will make their appearance when we either:
1) begin colonizing another planet or;
2) have the ability to manipulate our DNA to extend lifespans past 200 years.

Either of these milestones will cause them to propose a treaty with Earth where we:
1) forego all further GRIN(Genetics, Robotics, Information systems, and Nanotechnology) research and;
2) rely soley on the technological advancements they offer us and;
3) accept the seed - an implant in each person that will join us with the hive. 

If we do not accept the treaty, they will wage war on Earth.

The aliens in charge(we'll call them S) are billions of years older than we are, so they won't wage war themselves.  They will have their proxy alien races(the ones that have accepted the treaty) wage war on Earth in our time.

S have mastered time travel, but their proxies in our time do not have that technology; however, their proxies do have the technology to travel faster than the speed of light. 

S believe that they are doing the universe a favor by putting limits on technological advancements because "imjaqu xepek jih uquoh, yenjoyhohak uximijyinv opih, jox xe oiajquex hoqumek inyixixanh ah puzeko oh xepeko quuvnu upilau. Ah oniqu ux quiniqu goniuqu, laij nejhkax odokyihuhien appuquye puzekij niji ah upilaim od ou yeququexe yenjolauh"

I understand their reasoning, but I'm not quite sure I agree.
 
 

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SJConspirator Jul 28, 2022

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The FBI continues to surprise us in regards to the extent of partisan left-wing banana republic crap they are willing to stoop. They have ceased to fulfill their obligations to their oath and no longer serve their intended purpose. All this for a letter written to Trump by Barack Obama upon Trump's first day arrival and a series of other correspondence between Kim Jung Ung from Korea. Congressional archives claims these document belong in the archives based purely on precedence as other former Presidents voluntarily made such documents available to the national archives. Trump did not, choosing to claim them for his personal property.

Give me a break! If some foreign dignitary writes a letter to the President it belongs to the president unless he willingly transfers possession. I don't believe for one second the FBI was really interested in finding what they obtained the warrant for (under very suspicious means). This was nothing more than a partisan witch hunt commanded by the administration in the hopes of finding something the Biden Administration could use against Trump should Trump decide to run. And the DNC controlled FBI was all too willing to comply. Just another example of how partisan the FBI has become and an example for why the FBI needs to be dismantled entirely. It really has just become sickening the resemblance between the FBI and the Nazi SS.

The FBI was unwilling or unable to turn over subpoenaed documents regarding the Russia Hoax for what is now 5 and a half years, claiming they don't have the manpower and means available to do so, yet they have time for this level of effort in regards to this? What a bunch of hooey. And they haven't progressed the Hunter/Joe Gate Foreign Influence Peddling case one minute over this same time frame? A case so clear cut it is laughable. He literally recorded all the information needed to prosecute and prove Biden is corrupt and beholden to foreign influence and then released possession. When asked the FBI mockingly states, "That's an ongoing investigation and we therefore can't comment". 5 and a half years and it is still just "ongoing" with zero progress! What total BS! They have video, audio and email correspondence clearly confirming the treasonous behavior of the Bidens. And after all this time all they have to say is "ongoing... no comment"? What a joke. Need to clean house. We the People need to step in and take the reigns back for a bit until we can make corrections to get the people/government back in line with their constitutional charter.

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Neo Aug 09, 2022

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i would also like to point out that Putin makes references to things that the USA is doing which are extremely unpopular among ALL people, INCLUDING the US citizens...

that is, this insane tranny nonsense. 

Americans are also quite tired of anti-white ideology pushed by the state. Toxic feminism. Extreme materialism and nihilism. fake credentialism. obvious dishonesty. 

it is enough to make a person wonder WHY on earth the USA would do this. Because if the USA wanted to maintain its hegemony, it simply would not. Why make enemies of every country on earth that does not worship homosexuals or black criminals? If we were simply a competent and fairly normal society, then we could quite easily acquire subjects who simply are afraid to fight us.

Are we, therefore, ruled by idiots? actually it would not seem so. Because despite this obvious blunder, we remain very competent at bribes and intimidation. A genuine idiot ruling the USA would be unable to maintain our significant amount of power and collapse would happen quickly.

so indeed it is difficult for me to not conclude that this country is simply ruled by satanic people, who want to use the power of the USA to transform the entire earth into a satanic and disgusting hellhole. They want to destroy everything that is beautiful and innocent just for the sake of it. It is quite similar to a sort of biblical end times situation.

oddly quite similar to exactly the situation Adolf Hitler warned about being a danger for our future.

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SJConspirator Oct 01, 2022, Cannonpointer Oct 02, 2022

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IkeBana » 18 Oct 2022, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2022, 9:48 am

So...what exactly scares you about teaching poor oppressed white supremacist christian children who are having their Xmas stolen from them, ALL OF THE **** HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY?  Including the sick racist bits, eh?  It is all the history.  Aren't you the slightest bit pissed off that you weren't taught all this history?  Of course you're not...you're a **** moron, racist, bigot, anti-semite, sexist pig.

Great civil and intellectually astute reply. Damning.

Nothing really scares me much these days. Not like you appear to be anyway, Intenso the Quaky.

I learned lots of history when I was a kid.
Acting like slavery is THE ONLY THING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT MATTERS wasn't one of them.
And pretending "reparations by people that weren't at the scene" is equally important? Nope.
Didn't learn that either.

I did find out that judging people for who they are, character, associations, smarts, etc. was the right way.
Only been fooled a few times in my life. Some white, some . . . whatever you call them, Ikey.
Judging by your general demeanor, you most likely call them low names behind their backs then
sucking their dicks to over-compensate for your latent racism.

Go **** yourself, phony.

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Cannonpointer Oct 17, 2022

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LibDave » 03 Sep 2022, 11:47 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2022, 11:47 pm

LibDave

socialism, at its most basic, is simply sharing.  A family unit is socialist, unless you make the kids pay rent to the parents when they are toddlers.  

Families are socialist within their own households.  They share a roof, they share expenses.  Extended families can be extremely socialist as well, as shown by communities like Mennonite and Amish villages.  This is where race comes into the equation.

All members of a race can be thought of as distant relatives, but cross racially, not so much.  Naziism, (National socialism) means extending socialist policies toward an entire state, and keeping that state racially pure, so that citizens can be unified in efforts and achieve great things.

The modern version of U.S. socialism, where socialist programs are applied across all sorts of racial and cultural barriers, is dysfunctional.  Individualism is incompatible with socialism, Hence our inability to build anything anymore, or have any kind of cooperation (collectivism).

In nations where there is racial homogeneity, socialism works fine.  That is why Japan has universal health care and we don’t.

When you throw a blanket on all socialism and say it all sucks, you are actually saying that any and all cooperation among humans is terrible.  By your logic, we should have never built the interstate highway system or put a man on the moon.  

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Herman Two Feather Sep 04, 2022

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Skans » 08 Sep 2022, 8:24 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 8:24 am

Individuals who do not rely on the State to support them are smart, resourceful and strong.  They will find ways to be successful without government propping them up. 

Collectivists who demand the state support them from cradle to grave are weak and should be allowed to truncate themselves from the gene pool due to their own ineptness.

in the entire history of human beings there has never been a single person who was not reliant on other people for their own survival.

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SJConspirator Sep 07, 2022

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roadkill » 19 Oct 2022, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2022, 9:09 am

Kari Lake schools the media...

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/158 ... deniers%2F

You mean this stuff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk16Ywskhmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUBGGQXsIvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQiCYNsjzB4

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Deezer Shoove Oct 20, 2022

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Independent » 18 Jul 2022, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2022, 1:58 pm

…who has the right to decide what happens to the baby?

Woman’s choice!

Women with penises have rights!


 

 

The real problems kick in when a woman who used to be a man gets a man who used to be a woman pregnant. For starters, at least one of them is queer - though they might be double queer, which might translate to hetero, depending on the linguist chosen to suss the issues pertaining to the pregnancy. It would have to be a linguist, wouldn't it?  I mean, there's no **** way we can put a biologist on this ****. The hard sciences aren't competent to deal with the spiel world. We need a wokester. 

Anyway, would the pregnant man who was born female retain the sacred female prerogative? And if so, isn't that dead-naming and bigoted and wrong pronouny? Shouldn't the woman who got him pregnant have a say? And if not, are we saying she isn't a woman, just because she has a dick? Isn't that also bigoted and wrong pronouny?

We need someone with the wisdom of Red Skelton for this gig. 

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SJConspirator Jul 18, 2022, Huey Jul 18, 2022

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Here's some fun news. The fbi just confiscated a republican politicians phone: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasre ... ell-phone/

This state simply is not legitimate. leftists of course view the state as infallible...but anyone who calls themselves 'right wing' should see clearly that the usa has become corrupt and perhaps even evil. I also think most people who associate themselves with the right fully understand that this country oppresses white people...although most are too nervous to just say white.. they will pretend it is 'Christian conservatives' or some proxy like that (I think that's cowardly but whatever)

Anyone who is not an ideologically tied leftist knows the Jan 6th people are just political prisoners in a stalinesque show trial. The fbi raid on Trump was 3rd world corruption level crap. The 80k new is agents are not being hired to do anything ethical. Everyone knows that elon musk was not allowed to purchase twitter because the establishment doesn't like to give truth a platform.

and yet mainstream gop talking points are literally designed to poison your brain and make you the biggest supporter of the system that oppresses you. 

take...for instance...the absolutely pathetic and wrong gop attitude about Martin Luther King. That 'content of their character' **** is only designed to disarm you and to grant the moral premises of the people using it against you. First of all it is a lie...mlk absolutely was in favor of affirmative action and reperations etc. (Just like the 'founding fathers WERE racist.. the left is correct about that)..but this poison is designed to make you all individuals while literally every not white person (including jews) ONLY sees race. Their own and yours. 

And as powerless 'rugged individuals' you make up the majority of the effective military personell...serving the state oppressing you...and you do the majority of useful labor in general...trying to 'bootstrap' yourself in a society that is rigged against you and wants you dead.

STOP GRANTING THE TWISTED MORAL PREMISES OF THE LEFT. actually nothing is wrong with racism. Nothing is wrong with Hitler. Because it works. The racist founding fathers actually were able to create a state that was hood for white people and we thrived under it...and it is BECAUSE they were racist. These 'scary words like racism and fascism just mean putting your own people above foreigners...and it is unethical to NOT be that way. Imagine a mother who neglects her own child and instead devotes herself to some African child who will never appreciate it...is that ethical? No. Honor and loyalty is ethical.

the only leverage white people have in this country is that the country depends on our labor and our ability to fly f22s. So stop. Go on strike. Become a porch monkey and collect welfare. Without leadership we obviois cannot conduct a violent overthrow of thr government...but if just 10 million highly productive whites simply decided to collect welfare instead then the system would be forced to negotiate with us or it would collapse. Either outcome is good for us.

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Cannonpointer Aug 11, 2022

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I would literally allow a serial killer inject me with **** than this insane government. I'm sorry but if you can't define a woman I am not taking your juice.

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DeplorablePatriot Aug 11, 2022, Cannonpointer Aug 14, 2022

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GeorgeWashington » 24 Aug 2022, 4:18 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Aug 2022, 4:18 pm

That is funny!
Like the criminality of Big Pharma is something new!
Like those killers are the victims!
Are those that get the "jab" even aware of Pfizer's history of criminal conduct?

Vaxxed: From Coverup to Catastrophe
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7Lnb_Y_28E4/

Vaxxed 2: The People's Truth
https://www.bitchute.com/video/njy6SZekTH92/

THE MOVIE THAT INSPIRED A MOVEMENT
https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode- ... -movement/

After watching one or both of those videos, is it any wonder where we stand globally in terms of autism?
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/cou ... utism.html

"1 in 30 U.S. Kids Diagnosed With Autism in 2020 — What’s Behind the Surge?"
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defe ... ediatrics/

Be a bit tough to make a case for vaccines as a positive, based on our infant mortality rate, while being the most vaccinated country on earth.



 
 

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Cannonpointer Aug 25, 2022

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Pastafarian » 29 Aug 2022, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Aug 2022, 4:23 pm

It costs the same. Actually, the oligarchs hold onto a couple of hundred billion more.

Are those the only two options?

The pertinent questions regarding paying student debt are, first, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? How is it remotely possible that it costs so much for an education - or getting one pays so little dividends - that the debt from that education is impossible to pay? And what are we going to DO, to avoid this embarrassment to our system of higher education in the future? How will we reform higher education so that this becomes a one-off, rather than a regular thing?

And please - be very careful advocating for universal higher education, because every nation that provides that has rigorous testing and rigorous admittance standards - annual boards, the failure of which ends one's matriculation and gives one a ticket to trade school. And those countries have zero affirmative action. So if you want the one, you have to lose the other. You ready for that? It would mean a lot fewer blacks and latinos and a lot more whites and asians in the better schools.

Just throwing cash at the problem is not an answer - it's a cop out; a bandaid; a sop. It is corporate welfare to the schools who SHOULD return the **** money, if it really was taken under fraud, as appears to be the case. I think another possible appropriate solution to the problem is a class action lawsuit to get the fake universities to refund the cost of the fake degrees. Absent that solution, any bailout should be tied to reform. If the taxpayers are to be on the hook, then their servants owe them reassurance that this is not going to happen AGAIN.

So along with the question of WHETHER we should, we have to ask the question of why and how. 
 
 

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Huey Aug 29, 2022

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Cannonpointer Sep 29, 2022

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