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Blackvegetable » 15 Oct 2020, 8:14 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 8:14 pm

QED...

To pass on James Fenimore Cooper?

Last of the mohicans is probably one of the top 20 films of all time...and top 5 soundtracks. Very underrated movie.

FOS » 15 Oct 2020, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 8:21 pm

Last of the mohicans is probably one of the top 20 films of all time...and top 5 soundtracks. Very underrated movie.

Twain disagrees...

Blackvegetable » 15 Oct 2020, 8:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 8:24 pm

Twain disagrees...

Well twain dated a blind, deaf mute. And he invented the bra.

FOS » 15 Oct 2020, 8:25 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 8:25 pm

Well twain dated a blind, deaf mute. And he invented the bra.

He rogered Cooper comatose.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://strangebeautiful.com/other-texts/twain-coopers-prose-style.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjlneCl-rfsAhXyj3IEHXAXAvMQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2PWFAm47JiiJFMU0ujoE0U

Knives are used for many things, as tools they can

1. Spread butter
2. Cut rope, cut meat, cut drywall and filet fish
3. Spread mayonnaise on bread
4. Cut fabrics for sewing, arts and crafts, etc.
5. Scrape dirt from under my fingernails
6. Make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
7. Sharpen a pencil

Guns, OTOH have but one use

1. Shoot and kill


MAYBE, that massive disparity in usefulness accounts for why gun control is more popular than knife control, to some degree.

SJConspirator » 15 Oct 2020, 8:27 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 8:27 pm

Knives are used for many things, as tools they can

1. Spread butter
2. Cut rope, cut meat, cut drywall and filet fish
3. Spread mayonnaise on bread
4. Cut fabrics for sewing, arts and crafts, etc.
5. Scrape dirt from under my fingernails
6. Make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
7. Sharpen a pencil

Guns, OTOH have but one use

1. Shoot and kill

MAYBE, that massive disparity in usefulness accounts for why gun control is more popular than knife control, to some degree.

SJConspirator » 15 Oct 2020, 8:27 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 8:27 pm

Knives are used for many things, as tools they can

1. Spread butter
2. Cut rope, cut meat, cut drywall and filet fish
3. Spread mayonnaise on bread
4. Cut fabrics for sewing, arts and crafts, etc.
5. Scrape dirt from under my fingernails
6. Make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
7. Sharpen a pencil

Guns, OTOH have but one use

1. Shoot and kill

MAYBE, that massive disparity in usefulness accounts for why gun control is more popular than knife control, to some degree.

But maybe we should ban assault knives. You know...bowie knives etc.

Guns are used for nore than killing. Most people just use then to hit targets. Also they use them to just feel safer...never actually used.

FOS » 15 Oct 2020, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 8:58 pm

But maybe we should ban assault knives. You know...bowie knives etc.

Guns are used for nore than killing. Most people just use then to hit targets. Also they use them to just feel safer...never actually used.

just don’t ban putty knives,  the drywallers and woodworkers need those

Blackvegetable » 15 Oct 2020, 7:13 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 7:13 pm

Wow....more assertions..

No....that is completely wrong..

What I have to show you is credible citations supporting my argument...

But your idiocy doesn't just break down there...

If that article describes why and references functionality go far it.  And the reason you refuse to discuss functionality is because you are clueless on this topic and you are not man enough to admit it.  I am gonna repost something for you to reinforce the point.  A post you have ignored.

Huey » 14 Oct 2020, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2020, 4:23 pm

That is a Ruger Mini 14.Fires 5.56 and can hold a 30 round magazine.  Semi automatic.

Then we have this:



Guess what that is? That is a Ruger Mini 14.Fires 5.56 and can hold a 30 round magazine.  Semi automatic.

Both functionally are the **** same.  The same **** weapon.  Yet, you want to ban one because you are not knowledgeable on the subject and believe the propaganda.  One is a standard looking hunting rifle.  One is dressed up to look military.  You want to ban that one because it looks scary.

Game.  Set.  Match.

@Blackvegetable

Understand yet @Blackvegetable  ? The same exact weapon in function and internal parts.  BUT one has a scary looking exterior and you wanna ban it.

FOS » 15 Oct 2020, 7:34 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 7:34 pm

Look I assume you want the ar15 banned. But I kinda assume that the only reason you want that is because political pundits have told you that you should want it. I doubt they explained why and I doubt you can't articulate why.

What specifically about the ar15 makes you think it should be banned?

Are you okay with police using the ar15? Military? Who should it be restricted to, then? Why?

I have been asking for a few years on these topics why the AR style weapons should be banned.  I have asked him to name the functions of the weapon that have led him to this opinion.  He refuses to answer for the exact reason you mentioned.  He knows nothing of firearms, state laws or federal laws, etc.

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 5:33 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 5:33 am

Understand yet @Blackvegetable  ? The same exact weapon in function and internal parts.  BUT one has a scary looking exterior and you wanna ban it.

What does the Ruger mini have to do with anything?

Nothing..


Exactly...
 

Blackvegetable » 15 Oct 2020, 7:13 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2020, 7:13 pm

Wow....more assertions..

No....that is completely wrong..

What I have to show you is credible citations supporting my argument...

But your idiocy doesn't just break down there...

I'm gonna help you out.  Give you hint of what is being discussed functionally:

At first glance, these two rifles seem virtually identical. The truth is they are very similar, so there’s a lot of confusion about what differentiates them.Simply put, the difference between the two is the M4 has either a full-auto or burst fire mode while the AR-15 does not. There are also minor differences such as barrel length and attachments, but these do not fundamentally affect the rifle.

 
The top one is a weapon designed for battlefield use and marketed to the military because FUNCTIONALLY it is capable of burst or full auto. Meaning if you hold the trigger back it will either fire a 3 round burst or continue to fire until the magazine is exhausted. As a civilian you can NOT purchase that weapon.  The bottom one is not designed for battlefield use.  It is nothing more than a semi automatic that fires a 223 or 5.56.  Meaning you get one shot per one trigger pull.  Exactly the same in function as this hunting rifle:


Now that that is the example of functionality that I was looking for.  
 

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 7:15 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 7:15 am

I have been asking for a few years on these topics why the AR style weapons should be banned.  I have asked him to name the functions of the weapon that have led him to this opinion.  He refuses to answer for the exact reason you mentioned.  He knows nothing of firearms, state laws or federal laws, etc.

Dwarf,

You can jump up and down in place all day crying about "function", but that was never at issue..

The AR 15 was designed and developed for military use...as confirmed by EVERY citation posted on the topic.

It was not redesigned (the design being the primary source of its appeal), it was just modified..

End of story.
 

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 7:56 am

What does the Ruger mini have to do with anything?

Nothing..

Exactly...

You want to ban weapons that look military.  I just provided you with a weapon with different exteriors.  One LOOKS military and the other does not.   Guess what?  Internally they are the same.  Same FUNCTION. Yet, one would be banned.  Maybe you need to specify exactly what it is you want banned and why.

 

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 7:58 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 7:58 am

I'm gonna help you out.  Give you hint of what is being discussed functionally:



The top one is a weapon designed for battlefield use and marketed to the military because FUNCTIONALLY it is capable of burst or full auto. Meaning if you hold the trigger back it will either fire a 3 round burst or continue to fire until the magazine is exhausted. As a civilian you can NOT purchase that weapon.  The bottom one is not designed for battlefield use.  It is nothing more than a semi automatic that fires a 223 or 5.56.  Meaning you get one shot per one trigger pull.  Exactly the same in function as this hunting rifle:


Now that that is the example of functionality that I was looking for.

Give you hint of what is being discussed functionally:

It has only become about "functionality" since you got your head hammered on DESIGN & DEVELOPMENT.

The Ruger Mini 14 IS about functionality...the AR15 is about Rambocosplay...

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 8:01 am

You want to ban weapons that look military.  I just provided you with a weapon with different exteriors.  One LOOKS military and the other does not.   Guess what?  Internally they are the same.  Same FUNCTION. Yet, one would be banned.  Maybe you need to specify exactly what it is you want banned and why.

You want to ban weapons that look military. 

Stop lying...

When The Handmaid Hammer, Kyle Rittenhouse looked to scratch his itch, do you think he bought on the basis of its "functionality" or his fetish?

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 8:01 am

Dwarf,

You can jump up and down in place all day crying about "function", but that was never at issue..

The AR 15 was designed and developed for military use...as confirmed by EVERY citation posted on the topic.

It was not redesigned (the design being the primary source of its appeal), it was just modified..

End of story.

You leave out a lot of the history on that.  Remember, the AR 15 was firsts designed by Armalite.  They then sold to Colt.  Colt then renamed the AR 15 the AR 16 which was an automatic, FOR THE BATTLEFIELD.  They then DESIGNED a semi automatic for POLICE and CIVILIAN use.  Not designed for the battlefield and called it the AR 15 SPORTER.

You leave ou important bits of history 3 time loser.  Plus, in the examples I just gave the AR 15 IS NOT the sporter.   The weapon pictured WAS designed for the battlefield.  

So we are back to function and the fact you fear it because it looks scary.

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 8:06 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 8:06 am

Stop lying...

When The Handmaid Hammer, Kyle Rittenhouse looked to scratch his itch, do you think he bought on the basis of its "functionality" or his fetish?

Doesn't matter why he bought it.  The weapon he had was designed for civilians.  You look at it, and you fear it.  So you want to ban it.

I'll go back the kit car comparison.  In the 70s you could buy a kit to build a car that looked like a Europea sports car.  LOOKED LIKE being the key word.  You got the body kit and then hung the body on a volkswagen chasis with the VW engine and drive train.  IT LOOKED like a sports car but did not FUNCTION like a sports car.

These weapons the same.  They look like a military weapon BUT DO NOT FUNCTION like a military weapon.  

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 8:10 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 8:10 am

You leave out a lot of the history on that.  Remember, the AR 15 was firsts designed by Armalite.  They then sold to Colt.  Colt then renamed the AR 15 the AR 16 which was an automatic, FOR THE BATTLEFIELD.  They then DESIGNED a semi automatic for POLICE and CIVILIAN use.  Not designed for the battlefield and called it the AR 15 SPORTER.

You leave ou important bits of history 3 time loser.  Plus, in the examples I just gave the AR 15 IS NOT the sporter.   The weapon pictured WAS designed for the battlefield.  

So we are back to function and the fact you fear it because it looks scary.

No...There was no need for you to divert..

My comments were to the point and unimpeachable...

So we are back to function and the fact you fear it because it looks scary.

No...you wanna go there because the actual argument, relating to design, is settled..

And you were humiliated...again.