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Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 8:55 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 8:55 am

Here is a Ruger AR556 AR 15 Semi Auto Rifle.It is not modified, it is not designed for the battlefield, because rugar does not have a military version of it..

This is a Smith & Wesson M&P15-22 Sport 22LR Semi-Auto Rimfire Rifle

This is not a modified weapon.  It was not designed for the battlefield.  It was specifically designed for civilian use.  It is .22.  Do you know of S&W weapon that fires a 22 and was designed for the battlefield?

So again, why do you want to ban them?

Why is it called a "Ruger AR15"?

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:03 am

Now answer my question about Kyle.

Do Rambocosplayers sport Ruger Mini 14s?

I did answer about him.  I don't know.  

I do not know what Rambocosplayers are. You will have to go into detail and then post which Ruger Mini 14 you are discussing.  Both have the same fucntion.  One looks military.  One does not.  Which you talking about?

But, we have settled the banning question.  Under your critera the last two weapons I posted would not be banned.  
 

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:04 am

Why is it called a "Ruger AR15"?

Doesn't matter why.  What matters is if it is based on a Ruger military weapon.  It is not.  It is specifically designed for civilians.  Does not fit your criteria so why would you ban that or the S&W 22?

 

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:09 am

Doesn't matter why.  What matters is if it is based on a Ruger military weapon.  It is not.  It is specifically designed for civilians.  Does not fit your criteria so why would you ban that or the S&W 22?

Doesn't matter why.  

It very much does, Dwarf...

Now answer the question.

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 9:07 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:07 am

I did answer about him.  I don't know.  

I do not know what Rambocosplayers are. You will have to go into detail and then post which Ruger Mini 14 you are discussing.  Both have the same fucntion.  One looks military.  One does not.  Which you talking about?

But, we have settled the banning question.  Under your critera the last two weapons I posted would not be banned.

We both know why....and it wasn't a javelina problem in his mom's apartment.

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:13 am

We both know why....and it wasn't a javelina problem in his mom's apartment.

Why don't you tell me why.  Again, you are condemning the weapon because it looks men.  These discussion would go a helluva lot smoother if you just made a point.

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:12 am

It very much does, Dwarf...

Now answer the question.

I already answered.  Why not just post what you believe the answer is. And as far as a bans go I am glad you don't want the last two weapons I posted banned

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:09 am

Doesn't matter why.  What matters is if it is based on a Ruger military weapon.  It is not.  It is specifically designed for civilians.  Does not fit your criteria so why would you ban that or the S&W 22?

It's called AR15 because it relies on the licensed design of the original..

And the AR15 was designed for combat..

That is why the Ruger Mini 14 is NOT an AR15
 

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:15 am

Why don't you tell me why.  Again, you are condemning the weapon because it looks men.  These discussion would go a helluva lot smoother if you just made a point.

Dwarf,

I've made the point..

Repeatedly..

You've been diverting and dissembling.

AR15 rifles are sold to civilians ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY because they look like a military weapon (not entirely coincidentally, as it was designed and developed as such). They were NOT designed or developed for any civilian application...they were modified to conform with existing laws, so Colt could sell more units from their fixed capacity investment in the military orders for AR 15s.

Because the modifications only limit the original functionality at the margin, they can be "overridden", and its limitations from such modification overcome.


 

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:22 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:22 am

It's called AR15 because it relies on the licensed design of the original..

And the AR15 was designed for combat..

That is why the Ruger Mini 14 is NOT an AR15

Hey narcissist boy, you aren't going to beat Huey on this issue. Be humble for once in your miserable life and just realize that you don't know everything after all. 

Coward.


1. you'll ask a question 
2. project/lie 

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:22 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:22 am

It's called AR15 because it relies on the licensed design of the original..

And the AR15 was designed for combat..

That is why the Ruger Mini 14 is NOT an AR15

It's called AR15 because it relies on the licensed design of the original..

That license ran out years ago.  That is why they use the name AR.

No, The Armalite 15 was designed for combat.  Colt renamed the AR 15 M16.  That was designed for combat.  When they DESIGNED the Sporter for civilian and police use they owned the AR 15 name and used it.  We have been over this.

You still have not told me if the S&W 22 and the other Ruger I posted should be banned.  Why? 

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:30 am

Dwarf,

I've made the point..

Repeatedly..

You've been diverting and dissembling.

AR15 rifles are sold to civilians ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY because they look like a military weapon (not entirely coincidentally, as it was designed and developed as such). They were NOT designed or developed for any civilian application...they were modified to conform with existing laws, so Colt could sell more units from their fixed capacity investment in the military orders for AR 15s.

Because the modifications only limit the original functionality at the margin, they can be "overridden", and its limitations from such modification overcome.

What function are they limiting?  Next, your passage only relates to colt.  Once the license ran out many companies that are not involved in military rifles designed semi auto sports weapons and dubbed them ARs.  Why they should they be banned?  

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:30 am

Dwarf,

I've made the point..

Repeatedly..

You've been diverting and dissembling.

AR15 rifles are sold to civilians ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY because they look like a military weapon (not entirely coincidentally, as it was designed and developed as such). They were NOT designed or developed for any civilian application...they were modified to conform with existing laws, so Colt could sell more units from their fixed capacity investment in the military orders for AR 15s.

Because the modifications only limit the original functionality at the margin, they can be "overridden", and its limitations from such modification overcome.

This is more than a modification.  It is a whole new internal design: 

To prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, several features were changed. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass, the buffer spring is heavier. On the select-fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when the automatic fire is selected.[54] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option (this requires a registered part with the ATF). Lower receivers that are select-fire are identified by a pinhole above the safety/mode selection switch.[55][56][57][58] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select-fire components.[59]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_style_rifle#:~:text=As%20of%20September%2019%2C%202019,rifle%20across%20the%20firearms%20industry.

That applies to the Colt Sporter.  Notice all the parts that had to be changed and redesigned? So no, the Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  
 

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:50 am

That license ran out years ago.  That is why they use the name AR.

No, The Armalite 15 was designed for combat.  Colt renamed the AR 15 M16.  That was designed for combat.  When they DESIGNED the Sporter for civilian and police use they owned the AR 15 name and used it.  We have been over this.

You still have not told me if the S&W 22 and the other Ruger I posted should be banned.  Why?

I'm not interested in your assertions..

The Colt AR-15 is closely related to the military M16 and M4 Carbine rifles, which all share the same core design and have the same operating principle. The term "AR-15" is now most-commonly used to refer only to the civilian variants of the rifle which lack the fully automatic function. [11]
 

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 10:06 am

I'm not interested in your assertions..

The Colt AR-15 is closely related to the military M16 and M4 Carbine rifles, which all share the same core design and have the same operating principle. The term "AR-15" is now most-commonly used to refer only to the civilian variants of the rifle which lack the fully automatic function. [11]

Yeah, you need to keep reading my posts.  Particularly the last one I just posted.  AND keep reading your source.  It was a long one but you obviously did not read it all.  
 

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 9:07 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 9:07 am

I did answer about him.  I don't know.  

I do not know what Rambocosplayers are. You will have to go into detail and then post which Ruger Mini 14 you are discussing.  Both have the same fucntion.  One looks military.  One does not.  Which you talking about?

But, we have settled the banning question.  Under your critera the last two weapons I posted would not be banned.

Are ANY of the Ruger mini 14 variants dubbed AR 15?

As Colt continues to own and use the AR-15 trademark for its line of AR-15 variants, other manufacturers must use their own model numbers and names to market their AR-15 style rifles for commercial sale.[20]


Is there anything you know that isn't wrong?

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 10:07 am

Yeah, you need to keep reading my posts.  Particularly the last one I just posted.  AND keep reading your source.  It was a long one but you obviously did not read it all.

This is EXACTLY why I don't...

You're full of ****..


 

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 10:09 am

Are ANY of the Ruger mini 14 variants dubbed AR 15?

As Colt continues to own and use the AR-15 trademark for its line of AR-15 variants, other manufacturers must use their own model numbers and names to market their AR-15 style rifles for commercial sale.[20]

Is there anything you know that isn't wrong?

After Colt's patents expired in 1977, an active marketplace emerged for other manufacturers to produce and sell their own semi-automatic AR-15 style rifles.[

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 10:03 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 10:03 am

This is more than a modification.  It is a whole new internal design: 

To prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, several features were changed. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass, the buffer spring is heavier. On the select-fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when the automatic fire is selected.[54] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option (this requires a registered part with the ATF). Lower receivers that are select-fire are identified by a pinhole above the safety/mode selection switch.[55][56][57][58] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select-fire components.[59]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_style_rifle#:~:text=As%20of%20September%2019%2C%202019,rifle%20across%20the%20firearms%20industry.

That applies to the Colt Sporter.  Notice all the parts that had to be changed and redesigned? So no, the Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.

@Blackvegetable  ​​​​​​​

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 10:03 am » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 10:03 am

This is more than a modification.  It is a whole new internal design: 

To prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, several features were changed. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass, the buffer spring is heavier. On the select-fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when the automatic fire is selected.[54] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option (this requires a registered part with the ATF). Lower receivers that are select-fire are identified by a pinhole above the safety/mode selection switch.[55][56][57][58] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select-fire components.[59]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_style_rifle#:~:text=As%20of%20September%2019%2C%202019,rifle%20across%20the%20firearms%20industry.

That applies to the Colt Sporter.  Notice all the parts that had to be changed and redesigned? So no, the Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.

several features were changed.

If it was DESIGNED for civilian use, why would anything need to be "changed" to make it legal for civilians to use?