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Huey » 17 Oct 2020, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:38 am

Your question you used to divert from answering this:
if the AR 15 semiautomatic was designed for the battlefield why is it not standard issue to combat units?

Your question you used to divert from answering this:
if the AR 15 semiautomatic was designed for the battlefield 

Huey » 17 Oct 2020, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:42 am

It is a semi automatic look alike counterpart of the M16.  Now, if the AR 15 semi automatic was designed for the battlefield why is it not standard issue for combat troops?

semi automatic look alike counterpart

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:44 am

This is how **** stupid you are...

The AR 15 is the semi automatic variant of the M16...

For what function was the M16 "designed"?

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:45 am

show me a link defining it as such, verbatim...

Or you lose.

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 2:21 pm

Blackvegetable » 16 Oct 2020, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 2:14 pm

Less Dwarf, more citations....

oh...wait.......

they don't serve you very well...

I guess we're done here..

Unless you are finally going to tell me for which conflict the Henry 45 was designed...

Although I have posted this for you in the past I will do it again simply for the entertainment value of watching you fail:

Most current fully automatic trigger groups will not fit their semi-automatic firearm look-alike counterparts – the semi-automatic version is specifically constructed to reject the fully automatic trigger group by adding metal in critical places. This addition is required by ATF to prevent easy conversion of Title I firearms into machine guns.For civilian possession, all machine guns must have been manufactured and registered with ATF prior to May 19, 1986 to be transferable between citizens.[19] These machine gun prices have drastically escalated in value, especially items like registered sears and conversion-kits. Only a Class-II manufacturer (a FFL holder licensed to manufacture firearms or Type-07 license that has paid a Special Occupational Tax Stamp or SOT) could manufacture machine guns after that date, and they can only be sold to government, law-enforcement, and military entities. Transfer can only be done to other SOT FFL-holders, and such FFL-holders must have a "demonstration letter" from a respective government agency to receive such machine guns.[20] Falsification and/or misuse of the "demo-letter" process can and has resulted in long jail sentences and felony convictions for violators.
And:

The domestic manufacture of new machine guns that civilians could purchase was effectively banned by language in the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (also known as "McClure-Volkmer"). The language was added in an amendment from William J. Hughes and referred to as the Hughes Amendment.[41] Machine guns legally registered prior to the date of enactment (i.e. May 1986) are still legal for possession by and transfer among civilians where permitted by state law. The static and relatively small number of transferable machine guns has caused their price to rise, often over $10,000, although transferable Mac-10 and Mac-11 submachine guns can still be purchased for around $8,000.[42][43] Machine guns manufactured after the FOPA's enactment can be sold only to law enforcement and government agencies, exported, or held as inventory or "dealer samples" by licensed manufacturers and dealers. Machine guns made after 1986 for law enforcement but not transferable to civilian registration are usually priced only a few hundred dollars more than their semi-automatic counterparts, whereas a pre-Hughes Amendment registered machine gun that can be legally transferred commands a huge premium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

As far as the Henry it was release in 1860 which means it was designed in the 1850s for the military of that time.  Pick a conflict pre 1900 and you plug it in as an answer.
 

 

Huey » 17 Oct 2020, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:36 am

Huey » 16 Oct 2020, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Oct 2020, 2:21 pm

Although I have posted this for you in the past I will do it again simply for the entertainment value of watching you fail:

Most current fully automatic trigger groups will not fit their semi-automatic firearm look-alike counterparts – the semi-automatic version is specifically constructed to reject the fully automatic trigger group by adding metal in critical places. This addition is required by ATF to prevent easy conversion of Title I firearms into machine guns.For civilian possession, all machine guns must have been manufactured and registered with ATF prior to May 19, 1986 to be transferable between citizens.[19] These machine gun prices have drastically escalated in value, especially items like registered sears and conversion-kits. Only a Class-II manufacturer (a FFL holder licensed to manufacture firearms or Type-07 license that has paid a Special Occupational Tax Stamp or SOT) could manufacture machine guns after that date, and they can only be sold to government, law-enforcement, and military entities. Transfer can only be done to other SOT FFL-holders, and such FFL-holders must have a "demonstration letter" from a respective government agency to receive such machine guns.[20] Falsification and/or misuse of the "demo-letter" process can and has resulted in long jail sentences and felony convictions for violators.
And:

The domestic manufacture of new machine guns that civilians could purchase was effectively banned by language in the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (also known as "McClure-Volkmer"). The language was added in an amendment from William J. Hughes and referred to as the Hughes Amendment.[41] Machine guns legally registered prior to the date of enactment (i.e. May 1986) are still legal for possession by and transfer among civilians where permitted by state law. The static and relatively small number of transferable machine guns has caused their price to rise, often over $10,000, although transferable Mac-10 and Mac-11 submachine guns can still be purchased for around $8,000.[42][43] Machine guns manufactured after the FOPA's enactment can be sold only to law enforcement and government agencies, exported, or held as inventory or "dealer samples" by licensed manufacturers and dealers. Machine guns made after 1986 for law enforcement but not transferable to civilian registration are usually priced only a few hundred dollars more than their semi-automatic counterparts, whereas a pre-Hughes Amendment registered machine gun that can be legally transferred commands a huge premium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

As far as the Henry it was release in 1860 which means it was designed in the 1850s for the military of that time.  Pick a conflict pre 1900 and you plug it in as an answer.

@Blackvegetable  

 

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:45 am

Huey » 17 Oct 2020, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:42 am

It is a semi automatic look alike counterpart of the M16.  Now, if the AR 15 semi automatic was designed for the battlefield why is it not standard issue for combat troops?

semi automatic look alike counterpart

show me a link defining it as such, verbatim...

Or you lose.

 

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:44 am

This is how **** stupid you are...

The AR 15 is the semi automatic variant of the M16...

For what function was the M16 "designed"?

FOS » 17 Oct 2020, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:01 am

The fact the ar15 is semi automatic immediately precludes it from being an effective military weapon...unless perhaps you took an m1garand approach and went for power over rate of fire. But the ar15 is not built for power. It is totally different than the m16 and this is precisely because It is for civilian use.

Your argument is as absurd as suggesting that a sport epee used for fencing in the Olympics is as effective as the actual sword it is based on.

No. They are totally different things.

Huey » 17 Oct 2020, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:07 am

He doesn't understand functionality and the complete rebuild of the lower receiver and the components contained in the receiver.  Even the barrel was different. It is like taking a Ferrari and replacing the engine and drivetrain with a Golf GTI engine and drivetrain.  You no longer have a high performance sports car.

Todays semi automatic weapons are purpose built  for the civilian market.

FOS » 17 Oct 2020, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:12 am

He just likes the term 'Based on'. Like 'Based on a true story'. Useful propaganda...zero objective merit.

FOS » 17 Oct 2020, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:01 am

The fact the ar15 is semi automatic immediately precludes it from being an effective military weapon...unless perhaps you took an m1garand approach and went for power over rate of fire. But the ar15 is not built for power. It is totally different than the m16 and this is precisely because It is for civilian use.

Your argument is as absurd as suggesting that a sport epee used for fencing in the Olympics is as effective as the actual sword it is based on.

No. They are totally different things.

Huey » 17 Oct 2020, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:15 am

What his real issue is although people from all over the political spectrum own the semi automatic he stereotypes the right wing gun owners as rabid militia members who are not very bright.  ALthough they represent a very small percentage of gun owners.  He does not like those people.  He has consistently stated that the military APPEARANCE of the rifle has attracted those type of people so the weapon must be banned.

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:17 am

I'm being totally honest...you're a moron.
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No one is arguing

"The AR 15 is a military weapon."

Please confirm that you understand this without launching into more pap.

FOS » 17 Oct 2020, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:12 am

He just likes the term 'Based on'. Like 'Based on a true story'. Useful propaganda...zero objective merit.

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:17 am

I'm being totally honest...you're a moron.
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No one is arguing

"The AR 15 is a military weapon."

Please confirm that you understand this without launching into more pap.

Huey » 17 Oct 2020, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 9:56 am

I guess I won.  The first post is form yesterday.  The 2nd is from a few minutes ago.

FOS » 17 Oct 2020, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:19 am

Well then what are you saying? I offered you a chance to state explicitly what your problem with the ar15 is earlier and you just decided to talk about Mark twain.

Well then what are you saying?

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:20 am

Where have you "won"?

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:19 am

Show me where I've used the term "based on"...

FOS » 17 Oct 2020, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:23 am

It doesn't matter if you used that exact phrase. This is just obviously what argument you are attempting to allude to. Because the ar15 is based on the m16 it must be too evil a weapon for civilians.

But the changes to the gun are obvioisly specifically intended to make it less deadly. You aren't even addressing that.

Just making up stories again.

It doesn't matter if you used that exact phrase

Just making up stories again.

Blackvegetable » 17 Oct 2020, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

17 Oct 2020, 10:24 am

Writes itself.