Liberal Forum

Polar1ty » 20 Jun 2021, 8:56 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 8:56 pm

Yes, that was a tongue in cheek...regardless it seems modern liberalism is defined by a passing observance/lip service to "democratic" institutions and status quo policies that benefit the oligarchs and ownership class (which liberals claim to oppose but not in reality).

Liberal regimes "manage" social dissent by instigating BLM-type "protests" and allowing ppl to vote for mouthpieces every [X] years.

Liberals ARE the establishment. That is my central thesis.

I believe that in the U.S. right now it’s hard to even define “establishment”.  We have two parties at loggerheads constantly, creating gridlock in Washington so that nothing gets done, except more bribery and corruption.  I was THRILLED at the thought of a border wall, just cuz it would be a massive American infrastructure project.  

but it was shot down cuz silly *** hate Trump.

can we build high speed mag lev rail?  Nope.  Huge desalination plants on the coastline to deal with coming water shortages?  Nope.  Any big projects at all ?  Nope, meanwhile China is leaving us in the dust with their new structures.

this country needs to split in two.  If there is not a parting of ways, we will NEVER build anything on a national scale again.  There is no “establishment” per se , if the establishment is so weak that they cannot form any agenda to BUILD SOMETHING, ANYTHING
 

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 9:00 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 9:00 pm

well the notion that liberalism is always in opposition to any governing body kind of leads into the idea that they would try to overthrow said government.  Which is more like Lenin’s idea of “perpetual revolution” which Mao went crazy with.  Again, not a liberal stance IMO

Dude..yes it is a very likely outgrowth of liberalism. And do you not see this in the quote 'the tree of liberty must be occasionally watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants'?

Lenin and mao are totally compatible with liberalism...and this is why they arent censored. 

Hitler, in contrast, was not ..despite the ironic fact that he was the only true revolutionary of the 20th century 
 

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 9:05 pm

I believe that in the U.S. right now it’s hard to even define “establishment”.  We have two parties at loggerheads constantly, creating gridlock in Washington so that nothing gets done, except more bribery and corruption.  I was THRILLED at the thought of a border wall, just cuz it would be a massive American infrastructure project.  

but it was shot down cuz silly *** hate Trump.

can we build high speed mag lev rail?  Nope.  Huge desalination plants on the coastline to deal with coming water shortages?  Nope.  Any big projects at all ?  Nope, meanwhile China is leaving us in the dust with their new structures.

this country needs to split in two.  If there is not a parting of ways, we will NEVER build anything on a national scale again.  There is no “establishment” per se , if the establishment is so weak that they cannot form any agenda to BUILD SOMETHING, ANYTHING

The 50 50 split of the people is a feature, not a bug. 

Your mistake is thinking that politicians have any power.
 

Polar1ty » 20 Jun 2021, 8:56 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 8:56 pm

Yes, that was a tongue in cheek...regardless it seems modern liberalism is defined by a passing observance/lip service to "democratic" institutions and status quo policies that benefit the oligarchs and ownership class (which liberals claim to oppose but not in reality).

Liberal regimes "manage" social dissent by instigating BLM-type "protests" and allowing ppl to vote for mouthpieces every [X] years.

Liberals ARE the establishment. That is my central thesis.

Furthermore, I would suggest that liberalism was ALWAYS nothing more than a tool for manipulation. 

What consistently thwarted the rise of Jewish power? Strong leaders...like kings and stuff. 

Look into the history of...say...the Bavarian illuminati. We know they percieved the printing press as a way to destroy strong leaders and thus leave them no obstacles in implementing their agenda.

And in every revolution of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries...what did you see replacing the old elite but Jews? 

Perhaps a good working definition for liberalism could be: the state is not allowed to interfere with the agenda of Jews.
 
 

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 8:19 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 8:19 pm

universal health care was not possible until a few decades ago.  The medical technology, centrally organized hubs of information and ability to store and retrieve vast data (medical records) did not exist until very recent.
 

The founders had universal health care for all seamen.

All it would have required to have universal health care, back in the day, was for government to build hospitals and pay doctors, rather than patients paying doctors.
 

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 8:21 pm

conservatives seek to halt or thwart change in any form.  They had invested in horseshoes, so they hated the invention of the automobile.  They cling to past traditions that are tried and true, rather than rushing into new territory tampering with laws, customs, economics, etc.

I would argue that the conservative impulse is to VET new ideas thoroughly - not reject them out of hand.

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 8:38 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 8:38 pm

How do I act like there is difference between private and public power?  Policies can come from a giant corporation or a giant government, and they can still be liberal or conservative.  

Censorship is not liberal, whether it comes from FB and Twitter, or from the state.  Yes, there are so called liberals applauding when Trump is kicked off Twitter.  They are not liberals, but some kind of confused mutant neoliberals

This was sort of my thesis. "You are not a liberal" was the way I put it...

Cannonpointer » 20 Jun 2021, 9:31 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 9:31 pm

The founders had universal health care for all seamen.

All it would have required to have universal health care, back in the day, was for government to build hospitals and pay doctors, rather than patients paying doctors.

I think universal health care is the result of extremely sophisticated (digitized) data, which makes triage, logistics and portability possible, as well as higher tax revenue from increased abundance of all commodities due to automation of labor.

Universal health care did not exist prior to the 20th century, (for an entire populace, not just military) anywhere.  Why not?

Medicine was extremely primitive up until WWII.  We didnt even have penicillin.  
 
 

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 10:17 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 10:17 pm

I think universal health care is the result of extremely sophisticated (digitized) data, which makes triage, logistics and portability possible, as well as the increased abundance of all commodities due to automation of labor leading to higher tax revenue.

Universal health care did not exist prior to the 20th century, anywhere.  Why not?

Medicine was extremely primitive up until WWII.  We didnt even have penicillin.

History says otherwise.

Jefferson supported universal health care.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/ ... c74cd35324

There were efforts to pass it in the late 1800s.

https://pnhp.org/a-brief-history-univer ... in-the-us/

Cannonpointer » 20 Jun 2021, 10:23 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 10:23 pm

History says otherwise.

Jefferson supported universal health care.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/ ... c74cd35324

There were efforts to pass it in the late 1800s.

https://pnhp.org/a-brief-history-univer ... in-the-us/

Hey? did you see this? it was pretty good. Ivermectin.. vindication for Cannon.. Ha its coming out now... ha
https://twitter.com/MariaBartiromo/stat ... gr%5Etweet

FOS » 20 Jun 2021, 9:07 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 9:07 pm

 the only true revolutionary of the 20th century

 
 

sootedupCyndi » 20 Jun 2021, 10:29 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 10:29 pm

Hey? did you see this? it was pretty good. Ivermectin.. vindication for Cannon.. Ha its coming out now... ha
https://twitter.com/MariaBartiromo/stat ... gr%5Etweet

Fox was in on the cover up - now they're blowing the whistle "on the media?"

Meanwhile, most of the folks on this board took the jab like retards. Hope they are otherwise healthy, because they're going to pay a price.
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/ ... c74cd35324

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 10:33 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 10:33 pm

That was my fathers favorite. 

But did he do anything about international finance? 
 

FOS » 20 Jun 2021, 10:44 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 10:44 pm

That was my fathers favorite. 

But did he do anything about international finance?

He was in charge of the Cuban central bank for awhile.  What a position!  He could have controlled the money supply of a beautiful tropical paradise, sipping pina colodas and banging hot Cuban bitches every weekend.  

Instead, Che was like “ Aw hell with this pampered ****.  Im’a go back to the jungle and be a revolutionary again and get myself killed by a traitor who snitches my location to the CIA.”

Cannonpointer » 20 Jun 2021, 10:41 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 10:41 pm

Fox was in on the cover up - now they're blowing the whistle "on the media?"

Meanwhile, most of the folks on this board took the jab like retards. Hope they are otherwise healthy, because they're going to pay a price.
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/ ... c74cd35324

I don't care.. just so its getting out now. ha ha ha.. Of course it has to make the TV for people to start waking up and listening. All about the money as usual.  Its horrific to me to think that, we here in the states are being so Bombuzzled.. and third world countries let the people have ivermectin.
I don't trust them with this vaccine. Fishy right from the get go. Notice who's missing from the tv these days.. Fauci. LOLOL

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 10:50 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 10:50 pm

He was in charge of the Cuban central bank for awhile.  What a position!  He could have controlled the money supply of a beautiful tropical paradise, sipping pina colodas and banging hot Cuban bitches every weekend.  

Instead, Che was like “ Aw hell with this pampered ****.  Im’a go back to the jungle and be a revolutionary again and get myself killed by a traitor who snitches my location to the CIA.”

My father was most impressed with his death. He would tell the story a lot. Some traitor pulled a gun on him and che just said 'well get on with it' or something like that. 

But come on..what real change did che do? If he was significant then we would talk about him as much as we talk about Hitler. We don't.
 

SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2021, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 9:05 pm

I believe that in the U.S. right now it’s hard to even define “establishment”.  We have two parties at loggerheads constantly, creating gridlock in Washington so that nothing gets done, except more bribery and corruption.  I was THRILLED at the thought of a border wall, just cuz it would be a massive American infrastructure project.  

but it was shot down cuz silly *** hate Trump.

can we build high speed mag lev rail?  Nope.  Huge desalination plants on the coastline to deal with coming water shortages?  Nope.  Any big projects at all ?  Nope, meanwhile China is leaving us in the dust with their new structures.

this country needs to split in two.  If there is not a parting of ways, we will NEVER build anything on a national scale again.  There is no “establishment” per se , if the establishment is so weak that they cannot form any agenda to BUILD SOMETHING, ANYTHING

Your assumptions are so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

Gridlock is by design. The trick is that Nancy Pelosi/McConnell KNOW THIS AND ARE DUTIFULLY PLAYING THEIR roles while pretending to 'be against each other.' They are not. THEY ARE COLLUDING.

I don't know why you think they "cannot" build a wall. THEY DO NOT WANT A WALL. They want to drive wages down by importing illegal immigrants and smelly Indian curry *** H1Bs.

They do not want "high speed rail." They DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT STUFF.

You seriously think the Dimocraps and Repukes (and Jews) care about building high speed rail in America? ROFL



Here is their true agenda:

The goal is to make your children retarded (retarded government schools that teach "whitey bad" instead of actual useful skills, fluoride in your water, estrogen contamination via plastic, vaccines, food pyramid, RoundUp in your food) and siphon any income the bottom 80% make via high insurance premiums, credit card fees, high cost of living (rent or mortgages) and other parasitic features of the system.

They do not want you to "retire." They want you to be a slave to the system.

The oligarchs' plan is to bleed the country dry while transferring the production/IP to other countries.

You, a lowly worker peon/worker bee, are just collateral damage in the process. They DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

Get this through your head and everything makes sense.

Q: "Polarity, how do you know this?"
A: Um...you just look at their actions since the 1970s.

ACTIONS, NOT WORDS. Stop giving a **** about what they say/promise and look @ what they HAVE BEEN DOING.

Higher fees, higher taxes, higher cost of living, **** "food" (industrial waste byproducts masquerading as food), pill pushers masquerading as doctors, etc. This is by design and not an "accident."
 
 

Polar1ty » 20 Jun 2021, 11:37 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 11:37 pm

Your assumptions are so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

Gridlock is by design. The trick is that Nancy Pelosi/McConnell KNOW THIS AND ARE DUTIFULLY PLAYING THEIR roles while pretending to 'be against each other.' They are not. THEY ARE COLLUDING.

I don't know why you think they "cannot" build a wall. THEY DO NOT WANT A WALL. They want to drive wages down by importing illegal immigrants and smelly Indian curry *** H1Bs.

They do not want "high speed rail." They DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT STUFF.

You seriously think the Dimocraps and Repukes (and Jews) care about building high speed rail in America? ROFL

Here is their true agenda:

The goal is to make your children retarded (retarded government schools that teach "whitey bad" instead of actual useful skills, fluoride in your water, estrogen contamination via plastic, vaccines, food pyramid, RoundUp in your food) and siphon any income the bottom 80% make via high insurance premiums, credit card fees, high cost of living (rent or mortgages) and other parasitic features of the system.

They do not want you to "retire." They want you to be a slave to the system.

The oligarchs' plan is to bleed the country dry while transferring the production/IP to other countries.

You, a lowly worker peon/worker bee, are just collateral damage in the process. They DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

Get this through your head and everything makes sense.

Q: "Polarity, how do you know this?"
A: Um...you just look at their actions since the 1970s.

ACTIONS, NOT WORDS. Stop giving a **** about what they say/promise and look @ what they HAVE BEEN DOING.

Higher fees, higher taxes, higher cost of living, **** "food" (industrial waste byproducts masquerading as food), pill pushers masquerading as doctors, etc. This is by design and not an "accident."

none of what you said disproved or even refuted any of my points.

nice ad Homs, though

FOS » 20 Jun 2021, 9:28 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2021, 9:28 pm

Furthermore, I would suggest that liberalism was ALWAYS nothing more than a tool for manipulation. 

What consistently thwarted the rise of Jewish power? Strong leaders...like kings and stuff. 

Look into the history of...say...the Bavarian illuminati. We know they percieved the printing press as a way to destroy strong leaders and thus leave them no obstacles in implementing their agenda.

And in every revolution of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries...what did you see replacing the old elite but Jews? 

Perhaps a good working definition for liberalism could be: the state is not allowed to interfere with the agenda of Jews.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kV192vTRoOKU/

SJConspirator » 21 Jun 2021, 12:06 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:06 am

none of what you said disproved or even refuted any of my points.

You blamed "gridlock" for the problems of the nation. "Gridlock" implies that there are 2 competing factions who cannot agree. "Collusion" is a better term.

You are simply a pawn/puppet/useful and disposable tool in a theater play. You are the prop sets that the main (and side) characters use and then throw into the trash once the play is finished.