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FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 12:46 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:46 am

Lol dude...my point was that everything you mentioned was white people stuff

I could have said the Egyptian pyramids... just sayin

SJConspirator » 21 Jun 2021, 12:47 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:47 am

I could have said the Egyptian pyramids... just sayin

More white people stuff...if you want to go down that rabbit hole...

SJConspirator » 21 Jun 2021, 12:38 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:38 am

how did I contradict myself?  Nothing in my writing exonerates billionaires or politicians, totally the contrary.  I think you somehow missed my point.

I KNOW that the stalemate in DC is by design, it’s all kabuki theatre.  My point is not that the parties are hopelessly deadlocked - THE PEOPLE ARE.  We are incredibly divided, and that’s why nothing can get done- there is always half the population opposing any agenda just because of who brought it to the table!

it’s not that human nature cannot be cooperative, we have built the interstate highway system, the Suez Canal, Mount Rushmore, etc.. we put a man on the moon, which took enormous resources and collective will.

It’s a sign of the times that we cannot come together anymore for any good purpose.  It’s a reflection of how easily people are divided once you introduce television and internet for a few decades, and sling nonstop propaganda in ways that stimulate the brains of the peons with pixelated, endorphin rushes of nonsense and lies.

If the people cannot ever come together, even on matters of facts and common sense, it matters not what the politicians do.

My counterargument to your first point is that the opinion of "the people" is irrelevant. Even if 90% of people wanted infrastructure projects like desalination plants or reservoirs that feed into the Colorado River basin or a Mexico border wall or breaking up the banks it doesn't matter unless they all march on Washington D.C. or Wall Street with weapons...THEN it might matter, but good luck getting that many people to attend - not to mention the (((media))) would immediately decry these attendees as "racists" or "white supremacists" or "terrorists" or whatever and the retarded people will believe what the (((media))) says.

Human nature necessitates disagreement over how they think society should be structured. We have fascists, anarchists, libertarians, socialists, liberals, conservatives, primitivists, etc. debating what policies should be implemented. These disagreements have always existed/will always exist.

Yet there were politicians in the past (just look at Otto v Bismarck back in 1890) who ruled with an iron fist and managed to get their agenda passed as long as they were skilled and powerful enough. They didn't need "the people's opinions." They simply knew how to navigate the system and force the wealthy parasites to go along with their plan. Xi Jinping is also a master at this which is why the Chinese billionaires are scrambling to escape the country - the billionaires want to rule the countries where they are staying and not BE RULED.

The "people's opinions" don't matter unless people miss 2 weeks of meals/go hungry and can't feed their children or something (The oligarchs already have cheap processed foods like chips/crackers/bread/ramen noodles/other trash "food" as their backup plan so good luck with that as well, LOL).

This is getting way off topic but my point throughout this thread is very simple:

Contrary to Cannon's argument that "liberals need to be anti-establishment," modern liberalism amounts to a managed system with all the exterior functions and architecture of a republican system of governance. In practice it serves a small clique of oligarchs whose loyalties do not lie with "the nation," "the people," or anything of that sort. Since these oligarchs are the ones who have the most political sway, it makes sense that they get to decide what happens with the country, and you (an ordinary citizen) have no actual say other than casting a vote for a mouthpiece at the ballot box every [X] years or writing some anti-oligarch posts on LF.net/some online forum.

What the actual liberals themselves (or people claiming to be "liberals" - it makes not ONE WHIT OF DIFFERENCE in the end as they will all meet the same fate) say or do or claim they support is largely irrelevant.

 
 

Polar1ty » 21 Jun 2021, 12:50 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:50 am

My counterargument to your first point is that the opinion of "the people" is irrelevant. Even if 90% of people wanted infrastructure projects like desalination plants or reservoirs that feed into the Colorado River basin

Human nature necessitates disagreement over how they think society should be structured. We have fascists, anarchists, libertarians, socialists, liberals, conservatives, primitivists, etc. debating what policies should be implemented. These disagreements have always existed.

Yet there were politicians in the past (just look at Otto v Bismarck back in 1890) who ruled with an iron first and managed to get their agenda passed as long as they were skilled and powerful enough. They didn't need "the people's opinions."

The "people's opinions" don't matter unless people miss 2 weeks of meals and go hungry and can't feed their children or something.

This is getting way off topic but my point throughout this thread is very simple:

Modern liberalism in practice simply amounts to a managed system with all the exterior functions and architecture of a republican system of governance. In practice it serves a small clique of oligarchs whose loyalties do not lie with "the nation," "the people," or anything of that sort. Since these oligarchs are the ones who have the most political sway, it makes sense that they get to decide what happens with the country, and you (an ordinary citizen) have no actual say other than casting a vote for a mouthpiece at the ballot box every [X] years or writing some anti-oligarch posts on LF.net/some online forum.

Mister Bismark was also quite aware of what forces could destroy him. Therefore he felt forced to make compromises. 

This is why a person could potentially argue that Bismark was a superior statesman to Hitler. And I wouldn't really disagree. 

Compromise is part of the art of politics. Bismark knew how to compromise.
 

Polar1ty » 21 Jun 2021, 12:50 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:50 am

My counterargument to your first point is that the opinion of "the people" is irrelevant. Even if 90% of people wanted infrastructure projects like desalination plants or reservoirs that feed into the Colorado River basin

Human nature necessitates disagreement over how they think society should be structured. We have fascists, anarchists, libertarians, socialists, liberals, conservatives, primitivists, etc. debating what policies should be implemented. These disagreements have always existed.

Yet there were politicians in the past (just look at Otto v Bismarck back in 1890) who ruled with an iron first and managed to get their agenda passed as long as they were skilled and powerful enough. They didn't need "the people's opinions."

The "people's opinions" don't matter unless people miss 2 weeks of meals and go hungry and can't feed their children or something.

This is getting way off topic but my point throughout this thread is very simple:

Modern liberalism in practice simply amounts to a managed system with all the exterior functions and architecture of a republican system of governance. In practice it serves a small clique of oligarchs whose loyalties do not lie with "the nation," "the people," or anything of that sort. Since these oligarchs are the ones who have the most political sway, it makes sense that they get to decide what happens with the country, and you (an ordinary citizen) have no actual say other than casting a vote for a mouthpiece at the ballot box every [X] years or writing some anti-oligarch posts on LF.net/some online forum.

I don’t pretend like I have any say, I don’t have power enough to make any changes, except in my own limited circle of friends and family and self.

but you don’t have to rub my face in it, sheesh

FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 12:55 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:55 am

Mister Bismark was also quite aware of what forces could destroy him. Therefore he felt forced to make compromises. 

This is why a person could potentially argue that Bismark was a superior statesman to Hitler. And I wouldn't really disagree. 

Compromise is part of the art of politics. Bismark knew how to compromise.

Times change.  These are very Democratic times, and popular support for something can do miracles.  It’s not like 100 years ago where the empower of Japan was considered a literal god on earth and everybody just did his will.

SJConspirator » 21 Jun 2021, 12:56 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:56 am

I don’t pretend like I have any say, I don’t have power enough to make any changes, except in my own limited circle of friends and family and self.

but you don’t have to rub my face in it, sheesh

Like I said, I don't mince words. There's always Chicken Soup 4 the Soul available.

I don't even know why I am critiquing you to be honest, Cannon's the one who started with a false assumption ("liberals are anti-establishment.")

FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 12:49 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:49 am

More white people stuff...if you want to go down that rabbit hole...

okay I do.  Egypt is in Africa.  Ancient Egyptians were black as the ace of spades, no?

SJConspirator » 21 Jun 2021, 12:56 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:56 am

I don’t pretend like I have any say, I don’t have power enough to make any changes, except in my own limited circle of friends and family and self.

but you don’t have to rub my face in it, sheesh

None of us really have any say, to be honest. But we can seek the truth. 

I feel like I have a handful of the mane of truth, personally. And I look over at you walking around on crutches. 

And okay. I don't have any real power. Nor do you. But take this bro...it is really good for your mental health.
 
 

Polar1ty » 21 Jun 2021, 1:00 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:00 am

Like I said, I don't mince words. There's always Chicken Soup 4 the Soul available.

I don't even know why I am critiquing you to be honest, Cannon's the one who started with a false assumption ("liberals are anti-establishment.")

I don’t know either, when me and you agree on 90% of issues... 

SJConspirator » 21 Jun 2021, 1:00 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:00 am

okay I do.  Egypt is in Africa.  Ancient Egyptians were black as the ace of spades, no?

Literally no. 

Their mummies managed to preserve DNA. 

We have sampled it. 

Guess the results, bro?
 

FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 12:55 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 12:55 am

Mister Bismark was also quite aware of what forces could destroy him. Therefore he felt forced to make compromises. 

This is why a person could potentially argue that Bismark was a superior statesman to Hitler. And I wouldn't really disagree. 

Compromise is part of the art of politics. Bismark knew how to compromise.

I want to know how Xi Jinping managed to keep the Chinese billionaires under his thumb. That's no small feat regardless of how much you admire him/hate his guts.

The Epoch Times is retarded. They say the CCP is corrupt (show me a "non-corrupt" government and I'll show you some pixie dust/unicorn wings) but they didn't sell out their people to the highest bidder.

Rank-and-file conservatives are just useful pawns/tools like their liberal counterparts. It's really all entertainment to me (as a bystander).

Fascists like yourself understand the nature of power, but have difficulty gaining a foothold in the era of liberalism (even if it's in decline).
 
 

FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 1:01 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:01 am

Literally no. 

Their mummies managed to preserve DNA. 

We have sampled it. 

Guess the results, bro?

Latino?
 

Polar1ty » 21 Jun 2021, 1:02 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:02 am

I want to know how Xi Jinping managed to keep the Chinese billionaires under his thumb. That's no small feat regardless of how much you admire him/hate his guts.

The Epoch Times is retarded. They say the CCP is corrupt (show me a "non-corrupt" government and I'll show you some pixie dust/unicorn wings) but they didn't sell out their people to the highest bidder.

Rank-and-file conservatives are just useful pawns/tools like their liberal counterparts. It's really all entertainment to me (as a bystander).

Fascists like yourself understand the nature of power, but have difficulty gaining a foothold in the era of liberalism (even if it's in decline).

The future of china is very, very unstable. 

I see the deals they are making with Israel, especially regarding their building of the Asian railroad...and I feel a bit concerned.
 

SJConspirator » 21 Jun 2021, 1:07 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:07 am

Latino?

Lol...

Would you believe me if I said **** Scottish?
 

FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 1:08 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:08 am

Lol...

Would you believe me if I said **** Scottish?

How could that be possible... we are talking about so long ago, Scots probably had barely invented the wheel, let alone a boat to get to Egypt

FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 1:08 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:08 am

The future of china is very, very unstable. 

I see the deals they are making with Israel, especially regarding their building of the Asian railroad...and I feel a bit concerned.

My understanding is that Chinese businessmen are extremely dishonest...they could give Jewish businessmen a run for their money in that arena TBH so I'm not really concerned...2 dishonest groups dealing with each other is quite the spectacle...

There must be something in the Caucasian genome (a fatal gene) that forces whites to embrace altruism, a high degree of honesty/integrity, etc.

Do you think if Jews ran propaganda campaigns to convince East Asians to "pay reparations" to [X] groups or to allow hordes of brown people from Africa/the Middle East/Central America/etc. into their countries, those initiatives would ever succeed? lol


What's interesting to me is that since Negroids are the most primitive of the races, they seem the least susceptible to propaganda regarding trannies, gays, etc. Their instincts tell them that embracing trans/gays is "wrong" and they won't support those ideas no matter how much their liberal Democrat masters demand fealty to the cause.

Really the most amusing **** you can imagine...
 
 

Polar1ty » 21 Jun 2021, 1:11 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:11 am

My understanding is that Chinese businessmen are extremely dishonest...they could give Jewish businessmen a run for their money in that arena TBH so I'm not really concerned...2 dishonest groups dealing with each other is quite the spectacle...

There must be something in the Caucasian genome (a fatal gene) that forces whites to embrace altruism, a high degree of honesty/integrity, etc.

Do you think if Jews ran propaganda campaigns to convince East Asians to "pay reparations" to [X] groups or to allow hordes of brown people from Africa/the Middle East/Central America/etc. into their countries, those initiatives would ever succeed? lol

I don't really know, dude. 

Yeah they could. 

They could pretend that opposition to such programs is japanese supremacy. 

I can see it.
 

FOS » 21 Jun 2021, 1:14 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:14 am

I don't really know, dude. 

Yeah they could. 

They could pretend that opposition to such programs is japanese supremacy. 

I can see it.

Well here's a good marker.

In China they discriminate against black customers/employees. Many Chinese businesses refuse to serve them or entertain the idea of hiring them.

If China starts passing "anti-discrimination" laws under the guise of "civil rights" it means they've been infiltrated. Chinese people by nature are not altruistic.

Polar1ty » 21 Jun 2021, 1:17 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2021, 1:17 am

Well here's a good marker.

In China they discriminate against black customers/employees. Many Chinese businesses refuse to serve them or entertain the idea of hiring them.

If China starts passing "anti-discrimination" laws under the guise of "civil rights" it means they've been infiltrated. Chinese people by nature are not altruistic.

White people by nature don't like blacks either lol. 

China is just following the same course we did, just a few decades later.