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SJConspirator » 18 Jun 2021, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:12 pm

Biden did vote with the Republicans a lot in his career.  I havent forgotten the horrible 1994 crime bill either..

Could have fooled me.

DID fool me.

I had the feeling you needed to be reminded, based on your posts.

SJConspirator » 18 Jun 2021, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:12 pm

I am judging him based on recent performance, not from 20 to 30 years ago.  I am an eternal optimist.

I'm not.

Cannonpointer » 18 Jun 2021, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:15 pm

Could have fooled me.

DID fool me.

I had the feeling you needed to be reminded, based on your posts.

I'm not.

We know.

You wanted to go back to the good old days that Trump spoke of. 
 

Crazytrain » 18 Jun 2021, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:16 pm

We know.

You wanted to go back to the good old days that Trump spoke of.

You sure are desperate to talk about trump when you try to defend your neocon, neocon.

He's bombing suria, ya know. Trump tried to get us out of syria, and the generals, who work for industry - the same industry that biden works for - bucked him hard, as did the media that laps biden's ***.

You are a neocon stooge, not a liberal.

And MY "good old days" are pre-reagan, stooge. I'm an FDR democrat.

SJConspirator » 18 Jun 2021, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:12 pm

Biden did vote with the Republicans a lot in his career.  I havent forgotten the horrible 1994 crime bill either..

I am judging him based on recent performance, not from 20 to 30 years ago.  I am an eternal optimist.

Your eternal optimism is nobody figures out how biology separates reproductions as eternally separated so far. Where would pay to stay in character go if everyone understood real equally here?

Cannonpointer » 18 Jun 2021, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 11:02 am

It currently goes by the name biden administration.

Specific examples please.

omh » 18 Jun 2021, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:19 pm

Your eternal optimism is nobody figures out how biology separates reproductions as eternally separated so far. Where would pay to stay in character go if everyone understood real equally here?

You're right, I almost forgot about the eternal separation.    

This is coming from a guy with a unblemished record of staunch free speech advocacy, and I have never wanted to  ban anybody from any public forum, BUT...

you should be banned

SJConspirator » 18 Jun 2021, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:28 pm

You're right, I almost forgot about the eternal separation.   :roll:  

This is coming from a guy with a unblemished record of staunch free speech advocacy, and I have never wanted to  ban anybody from any public forum, BUT...

you should be banned

Your reality is exposed for all it ever has done historically to date. Maybe my genetic sole needs nailed to a cross so nobody tries it again for another 2,021 years again.

Make up **** like I was more than just a biological replacement. Worked so far.

I am not liberal, nor anti establishment. Liberalism is simply based on a collection of false assumption, imo.

I Believe the classical civilization had a more correct view of the nature of the state. The various things that liberals act like they care so much about such as freedom, imported cheese, and beauty pageants for cats is only possible for citizens dwelling in a sufficiently powerful state...and this is only possible if the citizens view the state as an entity which expresses and projects their collective power. The state should also be at the head of the spiritual life of the citizen as well...for by serving a legitimite state you both honor the will of your ancestors and provide for future children not yet born. If Pepin, the king of the Franks, coverts to Christianity then the Franks convert also. If clothaire II decides to become monogamous, then the Franks do too. 

But in that era is was possible to say that by serving the king, you also served the Franks. The interests and the will to power were one and the same. 

In the modern era, can you serve the american people by serving the state? I would say of course not ..you could only serve Jewish donors and lobbies by serving the modern usa. Therefore this is not a legitimite state and the american people should consider themselves stateless. We are simply bullied by a criminal cartel which extracts money from us and demands that we never say an unkind word about *** or ***. 

What the people need is a great leader. A Caesar who can restore the functionality of the state. Somehow who, unlike Biden, will remember his own name in 5 years.

 

FOS » 18 Jun 2021, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 1:15 pm

I am not liberal, nor anti establishment. Liberalism is simply based on a collection of false assumption, imo.

I Believe the classical civilization had a more correct view of the nature of the state. The various things that liberals act like they care so much about such as freedom, imported cheese, and beauty pageants for cats is only possible for citizens dwelling in a sufficiently powerful state...and this is only possible if the citizens view the state as an entity which expresses and projects their collective power. The state should also be at the head of the spiritual life of the citizen as well...for by serving a legitimite state you both honor the will of your ancestors and provide for future children not yet born. If Pepin, the king of the Franks, coverts to Christianity then the Franks convert also. If clothaire II decides to become monogamous, then the Franks do too. 

But in that era is was possible to say that by serving the king, you also served the Franks. The interests and the will to power were one and the same. 

In the modern era, can you serve the american people by serving the state? I would say of course not ..you could only serve Jewish donors and lobbies by serving the modern usa. Therefore this is not a legitimite state and the american people should consider themselves stateless. We are simply bullied by a criminal cartel which extracts money from us and demands that we never say an unkind word about *** or ***. 

What the people need is a great leader. A Caesar who can restore the functionality of the state. Somehow who, unlike Biden, will remember his own name in 5 years.

 

you profess what you believe but never explain completely what you understand about living individually here in this atmosphere.

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2021, 9:44 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2021, 9:44 pm

Then you are not a liberal.

The very IDEA of liberalism is in opposition to the established order.

If you fancy yourself a liberal, I challenge you to tell us in what ways you are anti-establishment - including in what ways biden has let you down.

This isn't just about political beliefs. It's about maturity and showing that you have the intellectual capacity to refuse group think. I personally could care less what my fellow righties think of my views. If I think a Republican leader needs to be put in place, I'll call them out. I proudly did not vote for Trump. I proudly stand against some Republican policies. I could care less about what the right thinks, I don't fall into that group think crap.

However, I have yet to find one lefty, even one, that has the integrity to stand against their own. It's like they look around to see what each other thinks first, then they respond. I think they want to get likes on Facebook or greenies. I don't know. However, no matter how many times one points out blatant wrongs from their side, they will always, and I mean always, deflect to 'but...but but....the GOP this and that..." as if that negates their side's behavior any. 

AnnoyedLiberall » 18 Jun 2021, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 12:26 pm

Specific examples please.

What possible example might you need to reassure you that the Biden administration is the establishment?

How about the fact that he is received by other heads of state and acknowledged as our head of state? Or the fact that he was inaugurated on Jan. 6th, and the joints chiefs of staff take his orders, lawful and otherwise?

Help me out on this. What sort of "example" might reassure you that biden is the establishment?
 

Vegas » 18 Jun 2021, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 4:07 pm

This isn't just about political beliefs. It's about maturity and showing that you have the intellectual capacity to refuse group think. I personally could care less what my fellow righties think of my views. If I think a Republican leader needs to be put in place, I'll call them out. I proudly did not vote for Trump. I proudly stand against some Republican policies. I could care less about what the right thinks, I don't fall into that group think crap.

However, I have yet to find one lefty, even one, that has the integrity to stand against their own. It's like they look around to see what each other thinks first, then they respond. I think they want to get likes on Facebook or greenies. I don't know. However, no matter how many times one points out blatant wrongs from their side, they will always, and I mean always, deflect to 'but...but but....the GOP this and that..." as if that negates their side's behavior any.

Pinned on this very board, as you write these very words, is a thread detailing hate speech against all white people at a yale university event - and the libtards have no problem with this blatant racism, though they insist that we are the racists.

You are correct - their very humanity is forfeit to their surfeit of stupidity.

Abatjour » 18 Jun 2021, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 11:12 am

Except, Biden's seen the err of his ways, in his sunset years. Just like his buddy, my friend, the late great Sen. Robert KKK Byrd.

Biden embraces critical race theory. Why? You ask
Because Biden realizes it is time for the Establishment to, pack up maaan, as you old racist White men have been atop the USA food chain since 1619. Its another group's turn to be atop that chain now. Face this.  Biden does, so you should too.

 

...anyone not an @sshole understands 'white men' are generally no more 'racist' than anyone else, you dense bidentard...    
 

FOS » 18 Jun 2021, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 1:15 pm

What the people need is a great leader. A Caesar who can restore the functionality of the state. Somehow who, unlike Biden, will remember his own name in 5 years.

No true Scotsman fallacy.  You say we need a great leader, but if one comes along, you will nitpick and find fault with him due to your deep cynicism.  

If Im wrong, name one person out of 350 million who could fit the bill.

SJConspirator » 18 Jun 2021, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 5:32 pm

No true Scotsman fallacy.  You say we need a great leader, but if one comes along, you will nitpick and find fault with him due to your deep cynicism.  

If Im wrong, name one person out of 350 million who could fit the bill.

huh? i could name many. Michael Painovich, for example.

SJConspirator » 18 Jun 2021, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 5:32 pm

No true Scotsman fallacy.  You say we need a great leader, but if one comes along, you will nitpick and find fault with him due to your deep cynicism.  

If Im wrong, name one person out of 350 million who could fit the bill.

...there is not now nor has there ever been any honest attempt to identify 'the leaders' with the best ideas for you to 'follow'...they vomit a dozen or so 'viable candidates' [puppet$] for you every four years and you swallow    it hook, line and sinker!..   

[..quit apologizing for these hand-picked, republicrat bank$ter puppets, dummy!...]     

 
 

Vegas » 18 Jun 2021, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 4:07 pm

This isn't just about political beliefs. It's about maturity and showing that you have the intellectual capacity to refuse group think. I personally could care less what my fellow righties think of my views. If I think a Republican leader needs to be put in place, I'll call them out. I proudly did not vote for Trump. I proudly stand against some Republican policies. I could care less about what the right thinks, I don't fall into that group think crap.

However, I have yet to find one lefty, even one, that has the integrity to stand against their own. It's like they look around to see what each other thinks first, then they respond. I think they want to get likes on Facebook or greenies. I don't know. However, no matter how many times one points out blatant wrongs from their side, they will always, and I mean always, deflect to 'but...but but....the GOP this and that..." as if that negates their side's behavior any. 

I watch you do group think from one of the 8 corners when thinking outside a box with 3 sides visible.

FOS » 18 Jun 2021, 5:40 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 5:40 pm

huh? i could name many. Michael Painovich, for example.

Ah okay I stand corrected.

SJConspirator » 18 Jun 2021, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 6:02 pm

Ah okay I stand corrected.

My view of leadership is that it doesnt really matter how great a leader's personal attributes are...much like it doesnt matter how pretty the flag of a country is. THey are just a banner and a symbol who can organize and direct the labor of other people.

FOS » 18 Jun 2021, 6:05 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2021, 6:05 pm

My view of leadership is that it doesnt really matter how great a leader's personal attributes are...much like it doesnt matter how pretty the flag of a country is. THey are just a banner and a symbol who can organize and direct the labor of other people.

policy positions are most important.  Most people vote for personality and looks though