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The Capitol Insurrectionists
By B.See
25 Oct 2021 4:42 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
5 Jan 2022 9:41 pm
Zeets2 » 25 Oct 2021, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑Since you're SO convinced there was an insurrection, why is it that NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE PROTESTERS was charged with that crime?B.See » 25 Oct 2021, 4:42 am » wrote: ↑ I've long opined that there was much more to the seditious Capitol Insurrection of January 6th, that others, within and without our government were involved.
If that definition doesn't fit I don't know what does.
The reason no one was charged with that crime is that Justice officials say that the FBI and prosecutors are better off building conspiracy cases, where the law is clearer, and using cooperators to build the complex prosecutions in order to have better chances of success.
There aren't many prosecutors who have even brought sedition-related cases.
6 Jan 2022 6:29 am
Now this is a topic I REALLY don't understand. Seems the left has gone well beyond blowing this out of proportion.
6 Jan 2022 6:42 am
Who Are the Real Insurrectionists?
Stone-cold sober elites are systematically waging a far more dangerous and insidious revolution in the shadows than anything threatened by the American Right.
By Victor Davis Hanson
January 5, 2022
Recently, Democrats have been despondent over Joe Biden’s sinking polls. His policies on the economy, energy, foreign policy, the border, and COVID-19 all have lost majority support.
As a result, the Left now variously alleges that either in 2022, when they expect to lose the Congress, or in 2024, when they fear losing the presidency, Republicans will “destroy democracy” or stage a coup.
A cynic might suggest that they praise democracy when they get elected—only to claim it is broken when they lose. Or they hope to avoid their defeat by trying to terrify the electorate. Or they mask their own revolutionary propensities by projecting them onto their opponents.
After all, who is trying to federalize election laws in national elections contrary to the spirit of the Constitution? Who wishes to repeal or circumvent the Electoral College? Who wishes to destroy the more than 180-year-old Senate filibuster, the over 150-year-old nine-justice Supreme Court, and the more than 60-year-old, 50-state union?
Who is attacking the founding constitutional idea of two senators per state?
The Constitution also clearly states that “When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside.” Who slammed through the impeachment of Donald Trump without a presiding chief justice?
Never had a president been either impeached twice or tried in the Senate as a private citizen. Who did both?
The Left further broke prior precedent by impeaching Trump without a special counsel’s report, formal hearings, witnesses, and cross-examinations.
Who exactly is violating federal civil rights legislation?
New York City’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene in December decided to ration potentially lifesaving new COVID-19 medicines, partially on the basis of race, in the name of “equity.”
The agency also allegedly used racial preferences to determine who would be first tested for COVID-19.
Yet such racial discrimination seems in direct violation of various title clauses of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
That law makes it clear that no public agency can use race to deny “equal utilization of any public facility which is owned, operated, or managed by or on behalf of any State or subdivision thereof.” Who is behind the new racial discrimination?
In summer 2020, many local and state-mandated quarantines and bans on public assemblies were simply ignored with impunity—if demonstrators were associated with Black Lives Matter or protesting the police.
Stone-cold sober elites are systematically waging a far more dangerous and insidious revolution in the shadows than anything threatened by the American Right.
By Victor Davis Hanson
January 5, 2022
Recently, Democrats have been despondent over Joe Biden’s sinking polls. His policies on the economy, energy, foreign policy, the border, and COVID-19 all have lost majority support.
As a result, the Left now variously alleges that either in 2022, when they expect to lose the Congress, or in 2024, when they fear losing the presidency, Republicans will “destroy democracy” or stage a coup.
A cynic might suggest that they praise democracy when they get elected—only to claim it is broken when they lose. Or they hope to avoid their defeat by trying to terrify the electorate. Or they mask their own revolutionary propensities by projecting them onto their opponents.
After all, who is trying to federalize election laws in national elections contrary to the spirit of the Constitution? Who wishes to repeal or circumvent the Electoral College? Who wishes to destroy the more than 180-year-old Senate filibuster, the over 150-year-old nine-justice Supreme Court, and the more than 60-year-old, 50-state union?
Who is attacking the founding constitutional idea of two senators per state?
The Constitution also clearly states that “When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside.” Who slammed through the impeachment of Donald Trump without a presiding chief justice?
Never had a president been either impeached twice or tried in the Senate as a private citizen. Who did both?
The Left further broke prior precedent by impeaching Trump without a special counsel’s report, formal hearings, witnesses, and cross-examinations.
Who exactly is violating federal civil rights legislation?
New York City’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene in December decided to ration potentially lifesaving new COVID-19 medicines, partially on the basis of race, in the name of “equity.”
The agency also allegedly used racial preferences to determine who would be first tested for COVID-19.
Yet such racial discrimination seems in direct violation of various title clauses of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
That law makes it clear that no public agency can use race to deny “equal utilization of any public facility which is owned, operated, or managed by or on behalf of any State or subdivision thereof.” Who is behind the new racial discrimination?
In summer 2020, many local and state-mandated quarantines and bans on public assemblies were simply ignored with impunity—if demonstrators were associated with Black Lives Matter or protesting the police.
6 Jan 2022 6:44 am
Currently, the Biden Administration is also flagrantly embracing the neo-Confederate idea of nullifying federal law.
The Biden Administration has allowed nearly 2 million foreign nationals to enter the United States illegally across the southern border—in hopes they will soon be loyal constituents.
The administration has not asked illegal entrants either to be tested for or vaccinated against COVID-19. Yet all U.S. citizens in the military and employed by the federal government are threatened with dismissal if they fail to become vaccinated.
Such selective exemption of lawbreaking non-U.S. citizens, but not millions of U.S. citizens, seems in conflict with the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
After entering the United States illegally, millions of immigrants are protected by some 550 “sanctuary city” jurisdictions. These revolutionary areas all brazenly nullify immigration law by refusing to allow federal immigration authorities to deport illegal immigrant lawbreakers.
At various times in our nation’s history—1832, 1861-65, and 1961-63—America was either racked by internal violence or fought a civil war over similar state nullification of federal laws.
Hillary Clinton hired a foreign national to concoct a dossier of dirt against her presidential opponent. She disguised her own role by projecting her efforts to use Russian sources onto Trump. She used her contacts in government and media to seed the dossier to create a national hysteria about “Russian collusion.” Clinton urged Biden not to accept the 2020 result if he lost, and she also claimed Trump was not a legitimately elected president.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has violated laws governing the chain of command. Some retired officers violated Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice by slandering their commander-in-chief. Others publicly were on record calling for the military to intervene to remove an elected president.
Some of the nation’s top officials in the FBI and intelligence committee have misled or lied under oath either to federal investigators or the U.S. Congress—again mostly with impunity.
All these sustained revolutionary activities were justified as necessary to achieve the supposedly noble ends of removing Donald Trump.
The result is Third World-like jurisprudence in America aimed at rewarding friends and punishing enemies, masked by service to social justice.
We are in a dangerous revolutionary cycle. But the threat is not so much from loud, buffoonish one-day rioters on January 6. Such clownish characters did not for 120 days loot, burn, attack courthouses and police precincts, cause over 30 deaths, injure 2,000 policemen, and destroy at least $2 billion in property—all under the banner of revolutionary justice. Even more ominously, stone-cold sober elites are systematically waging an insidious revolution in the shadows that seeks to dismantle America’s institutions and the rule of law as we have known them.
The Biden Administration has allowed nearly 2 million foreign nationals to enter the United States illegally across the southern border—in hopes they will soon be loyal constituents.
The administration has not asked illegal entrants either to be tested for or vaccinated against COVID-19. Yet all U.S. citizens in the military and employed by the federal government are threatened with dismissal if they fail to become vaccinated.
Such selective exemption of lawbreaking non-U.S. citizens, but not millions of U.S. citizens, seems in conflict with the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
After entering the United States illegally, millions of immigrants are protected by some 550 “sanctuary city” jurisdictions. These revolutionary areas all brazenly nullify immigration law by refusing to allow federal immigration authorities to deport illegal immigrant lawbreakers.
At various times in our nation’s history—1832, 1861-65, and 1961-63—America was either racked by internal violence or fought a civil war over similar state nullification of federal laws.
Hillary Clinton hired a foreign national to concoct a dossier of dirt against her presidential opponent. She disguised her own role by projecting her efforts to use Russian sources onto Trump. She used her contacts in government and media to seed the dossier to create a national hysteria about “Russian collusion.” Clinton urged Biden not to accept the 2020 result if he lost, and she also claimed Trump was not a legitimately elected president.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has violated laws governing the chain of command. Some retired officers violated Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice by slandering their commander-in-chief. Others publicly were on record calling for the military to intervene to remove an elected president.
Some of the nation’s top officials in the FBI and intelligence committee have misled or lied under oath either to federal investigators or the U.S. Congress—again mostly with impunity.
All these sustained revolutionary activities were justified as necessary to achieve the supposedly noble ends of removing Donald Trump.
The result is Third World-like jurisprudence in America aimed at rewarding friends and punishing enemies, masked by service to social justice.
We are in a dangerous revolutionary cycle. But the threat is not so much from loud, buffoonish one-day rioters on January 6. Such clownish characters did not for 120 days loot, burn, attack courthouses and police precincts, cause over 30 deaths, injure 2,000 policemen, and destroy at least $2 billion in property—all under the banner of revolutionary justice. Even more ominously, stone-cold sober elites are systematically waging an insidious revolution in the shadows that seeks to dismantle America’s institutions and the rule of law as we have known them.
6 Jan 2022 8:07 am
I wonder if piglousi and her Jan 6 dog and pony troupe will repeat that ridiculous stunt of *** worship and kneel somber faced on the marble floors of Congress donned in color coordinated african *** costumes? Will Mike Pence show his cowardly face again?
6 Jan 2022 8:10 am
I'll not waste a sheet of paper on something I already know they have no interest in investigating. We'll find out once they are relieved of their duties.
6 Jan 2022 11:07 am
So basically what you're saying is that they would be unlikely to get any convictions on proceeding with a charge of insurrection, where they probably couldn't get a guilty verdict, but you still want the freedom to speak of it as if those arrested were found guilty of it, which is not the case.Misty » 05 Jan 2022, 10:41 pm » wrote: ↑
If that definition doesn't fit I don't know what does.
The reason no one was charged with that crime is that Justice officials say that the FBI and prosecutors are better off building conspiracy cases, where the law is clearer, and using cooperators to build the complex prosecutions in order to have better chances of success.
There aren't many prosecutors who have even brought sedition-related cases.
6 Jan 2022 11:11 am
6 Jan 2022 11:25 am
neueregel » 05 Jan 2022, 9:37 pm » wrote: ↑ We need Trump to corroborate a timeline? I’d rather know why security requests were denied.
Yes, many of us talked of this when the formation of the committee began. BUT, with Pelosi implicated in the decision process AND her position, adding in her hand picked republicans, we will never know what happened.
BV is in question time out indefinitely, until he takes the pledge to answer questions one for one.
The Pledge viewtopic.php?f=3&t=100927
Popular Vote Totals 2024 viewtopic.php?p=2685476#p2685476
BV's Sporter Losshttps: viewtopic.php?p=2610828#p2610828
BV 33 miles: viewtopic.php?p=2747521#p2747521
Sources viewtopic.php?p=2589152#p2589152
The Pledge viewtopic.php?f=3&t=100927
Popular Vote Totals 2024 viewtopic.php?p=2685476#p2685476
BV's Sporter Losshttps: viewtopic.php?p=2610828#p2610828
BV 33 miles: viewtopic.php?p=2747521#p2747521
Sources viewtopic.php?p=2589152#p2589152
6 Jan 2022 11:32 am
Funny that you mention that... I was just looking at the front page of CNNLOL and I saw that... Pelosi actually had a moment of silence for the fallen officers of jan 6... lol... didn't they die because of a heart attack?neueregel » 06 Jan 2022, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑ I'm sorry...I just joined Pelosi's moment of silence. What did I miss?
In memory of Pumpkins
6 Jan 2022 11:53 am
well to me.. Oklahoma city bombing was a bigger event in history..Jantje_Smit » 06 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑ Funny that you mention that... I was just looking at the front page of CNNLOL and I saw that... Pelosi actually had a moment of silence for the fallen officers of jan 6... lol... didn't they die because of a heart attack?
6 Jan 2022 12:04 pm
Piglousi's Animal Farm dog and pony show!!!Jantje_Smit » 06 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑ Funny that you mention that... I was just looking at the front page of CNNLOL and I saw that... Pelosi actually had a moment of silence for the fallen officers of jan 6... lol... didn't they die because of a heart attack?
6 Jan 2022 12:37 pm
The only life that mattered that day was the MURDER of Ashli Babbett by goddamn gun happy *** Capitol cop Michael Byrd.Jantje_Smit » 06 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑ Funny that you mention that... I was just looking at the front page of CNNLOL and I saw that... Pelosi actually had a moment of silence for the fallen officers of jan 6... lol... didn't they die because of a heart attack?
I can guarantee with 100% certainty that had the cop been white and Babbett a *** the the Capitol would have burned that day and the white cop would have been charged with MURDER.
6 Jan 2022 1:22 pm
They're saving that for Trump and company.Zeets2 » 25 Oct 2021, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑ Since you're SO convinced there was an insurrection, why is it that NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE PROTESTERS was charged with that crime?
6 Jan 2022 2:11 pm
Propaganda relies on people forgetting the details.Jantje_Smit » 06 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑ Funny that you mention that... I was just looking at the front page of CNNLOL and I saw that... Pelosi actually had a moment of silence for the fallen officers of jan 6... lol... didn't they die because of a heart attack?
6 Jan 2022 3:06 pm
Yeah, sure they are! All they need is a single piece of evidence to contradict him ordering the protesters to "march peacefully".
You are one gullible liberal, aren't you?
6 Jan 2022 5:39 pm
Did you miss the part where he told them to fight like hell or you'll never have your country again?Zeets2 » 06 Jan 2022, 4:06 pm » wrote: ↑ Yeah, sure they are! All they need is a single piece of evidence to contradict him ordering the protesters to "march peacefully".
You are one gullible liberal, aren't you?
6 Jan 2022 5:40 pm
6 Jan 2022 5:41 pm
Are you that dumb that you need to see the list of every politician who ever told his supporters to "fight" for something, without them having any literal intent?ScottMon » 06 Jan 2022, 6:39 pm » wrote: ↑ Did you miss the part where he told them to fight like hell or you'll never have your country again?
6 Jan 2022 6:09 pm
Yes, I do. Because you're doing an *** pull.Zeets2 » 06 Jan 2022, 6:41 pm » wrote: ↑ Are you that dumb that you need to see the list of every politician who ever told his supporters to "fight" for something, without them having any literal intent?
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