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sootedupCyndi » 13 Jul 2022, 12:04 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2022, 12:04 am

OMH is a NDA. Natural Displacement Advisor.  
Just filling you in.  
and Jantje is the board OMH-ISH interpreter.

 

Thanks Cyn, but the truth is he's a genius that doesn't know how to express himself. I'm trying to help him! Being one myself :-)

Just gotta keep him to 1-3 sentences. When I'm not around, you gotta remind him.

Don't make fun of him and let him rant off 6 paragraphs. His main points are made in the first few sentences. I'll be back on the weekend, but take care of him.

:-)

RunningWithScissors » 12 Jul 2022, 11:42 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2022, 11:42 pm

I kinda got you centered there for a moment, and you made a lot of good sense! 

Keep it at 1 paragraph at a time, and you can be friggin Einstein! Trust me. I kinda roll that way too but i'm at 2 paragraphs... Just focus your mind on 1-3 sentences max. And you will make everyone believers, like I am. 
 

when you cannot defeat what I say, make believe what I said makes no sense. Like minded social mentalities will obey the subliminal format at saving their own realities forward and ignore me until it is time to eliminate me because typecast people are won't be changing their socially predetermined minds created after birth as their brain arrived fertilized cell at conception.

In a prolonged SHTF you want a rain catchment system. Ideally you have a huge underground tank [cistern]..but if that isn't possible you can use food grade plastic barrels...50 gallon [or so] barrels are used by brewerys. I found some on Craigslist many years ago for $15 each. It cost me more to buy the plastic fittings and tubing to connect the barrels together in series. I use a PRE FILTER for the water that comes straight off my metal roof...it is a 5 gallon bucket with a mesh paint strainer stretched over the top.
The other "prep" is to have a way to hoist my well piping / pump out of the shaft if I run out of options. I have a tripod, pulleys and rope for that. The tripod is made from 20 foot sections of 1 inch steel well pipe and it is adequate to haul my 100 foot deep system out. It would suck to have to lower a can 100 feet down to get a drink..but being able to service my own well is my idea of being prepared.
For dental pain I keep clove oil...but concentrated hops pellets from a brewery supply work well too.
I had my doctor prescribe a mouth wash to treat flare ups [Chlorhexadine..?] and also Fluocinodide to treat scalp sores / skin rashes.
Baking soda and white vinegar have 1000 uses.
Bleach goes bad quickly..so you want to get calcium hypochloride crystals to make your own fresh batches of bleach. Just add water.

RunningWithScissors » 13 Jul 2022, 12:37 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2022, 12:37 am

Thanks Cyn, but the truth is he's a genius that doesn't know how to express himself. I'm trying to help him! Being one myself :-)

I am nowhere near a genius, just instinctively aware of what isn't possible regardless how many people say life exceeds this moment here. Even the universe doesn't, so how could one species?

OK..so the water issue was addressed.
Now air quality.
Who knows what might happen..but those 3M half face masks with the filter cartridges are relatively cheap and can be hung on a hook in a closet.
Warmth...gotta have a woodstove
The most important tool to keep your wood stove fed most would agree is a chainsaw.
[and a splitting maul and a few steel wedges...maybe even a cart to haul with.]
If you don't have a few spare chains, pull rope assemblies [the whole enchilada, with the spring loaded "pawls"] and a spare clutch..then order them now.
2 cycle coil and gasoline stabilizer for long term storage.
I would like to own a 2 Man Buck Saw for a back up "system" and of course you need all the hand tools to keep this equipment sharp.
I don't see how people will manage without 5 acres of wooded land that is distanced at least a few hundred miles from the nearest high density population.
Game will be in short supply, so having a few buckets of Wheat, Barley, Oat, Rye Seed is not just good food for us but also a way to attract those 4 legged animals that will be in short supply.
I would try to capture breeding stock of wild rabbits if finding domestic rabbits for sale or trade was not possible. They only need to eat weeds and to live on clean ground in movable cages.

RunningWithScissors » 09 Jul 2022, 3:49 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2022, 3:49 am

That is fantastic advice! It really is! Thank you! 

But some of it doesn't apply to me. I'm in an apartment. I can't fortify anything besides the front door. I have guns, i live in AZ, everyone has guns. :-) But water, being in az, is going to be a problem besides what I can store in my apartment. I have limited real estate :-). And if the electric goes out, and my AC goes out, I can't stay here in 115 degree weather. So I have to bug out. And if my car don't work due to an EMP pulse... 

I guess I'm **** if the SHTF. :-)

The key is to out-survive the hoards. The last thing I'd want to do is be out and about when every other angry fools is doing the same. In your situation, staying put is probably not a great option.  Those who get out first would have a better chance at finding a place to shack up for a short time. 

In a SHTF scenario, a long term food supply would be my biggest concern, with water being a far second.  I have a stream that runs through the far side of my land, but nothing is set up to irrigate crops. Even if I could ultimately plant my own food, that takes lots of time, lots of chance at failure. Over the long haul, if civilization isn't quickly restored, you need to find a good source of food.  Everyone thinks you can just raise chickens or rabbits or grow ****. Chicken and rabbits need food too, and bugs will eat nearly everything you grow.

Skans » 13 Jul 2022, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2022, 12:58 pm

The key is to out-survive the hoards. The last thing I'd want to do is be out and about when every other angry fools is doing the same. In your situation, staying put is probably not a great option.  Those who get out first would have a better chance at finding a place to shack up for a short time. 

In a SHTF scenario, a long term food supply would be my biggest concern, with water being a far second.  I have a stream that runs through the far side of my land, but nothing is set up to irrigate crops. Even if I could ultimately plant my own food, that takes lots of time, lots of chance at failure. Over the long haul, if civilization isn't quickly restored, you need to find a good source of food.  Everyone thinks you can just raise chickens or rabbits or grow ****. Chicken and rabbits need food too, and bugs will eat nearly everything you grow.

Wild rabbits live on weeds.
Domestic rabbits do better on pasture grass...but don't let my knowledge and experience  keep you from  having your  opinions.

I can toss handfulls of cereal grass seed over my shoulder blindfolded and it will grow. It helps to scratch the seed in with a rake. 
Peas of all types grow very well on poor land and will improve the soil.
Same goes for potatoes...except do yourself a favor and grow them inside a stack of tires and place copper foil around the top rim of your "planter box" to deter slugs.. Keep adding tires and soil as the plants grow. The idea is to keep the plant 3/4 of the way below ground to encourage more spuds to form.

If you are convinced that I am wrong and you are right...don't let me stop you though....


 

GHETTOBLASTER » 13 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm

Wild rabbits live on weeds.
Domestic rabbits do better on pasture grass...but don't let my knowledge and experience  keep you from  having your  opinions.

I can toss handfulls of cereal grass seed over my shoulder blindfolded and it will grow. It helps to scratch the seed in with a rake. 
Peas of all types grow very well on poor land and will improve the soil.
Same goes for potatoes...except do yourself a favor and grow them inside a stack of tires and place copper foil around the top rim of your "planter box" to deter slugs.. Keep adding tires and soil as the plants grow. The idea is to keep the plant 3/4 of the way below ground to encourage more spuds to form.

If you are convinced that I am wrong and you are right...don't let me stop you though....

 

No, actually a lot of what you said makes good sense, especially with what crops are easy to grow.

As for small game, like wild rabbits, in a real SHTF scenario, every guy with a shotgun, pellet gun or a .22 will be thinking the same thing - "I can always harvest rabbit".  If the city folks ever make it out past the burbs alive, they will be attacking anything with 4 legs on it to feed themselves and their families.   All I was pointing out is that If you have domestic rabbits or chickens, you should be able to sustain that for awhile so long as you have enough food to feed them.

The real question is: 1) do you stock up on MRE's which might last you a year; or 2) do you stock up on seeds, fertilizer, etc. to try and grow your own food?  I mean, if you can do both, then by all means, do both. But, if I had to choose one over the other, I think I'd choose a years supply of MRE's.
 

Skans » 13 Jul 2022, 5:24 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2022, 5:24 pm

No, actually a lot of what you said makes good sense, especially with what crops are easy to grow.

As for small game, like wild rabbits, in a real SHTF scenario, every guy with a shotgun, pellet gun or a .22 will be thinking the same thing - "I can always harvest rabbit".  If the city folks ever make it out past the burbs alive, they will be attacking anything with 4 legs on it to feed themselves and their families.   All I was pointing out is that If you have domestic rabbits or chickens, you should be able to sustain that for awhile so long as you have enough food to feed them.

The real question is: 1) do you stock up on MRE's which might last you a year; or 2) do you stock up on seeds, fertilizer, etc. to try and grow your own food?  I mean, if you can do both, then by all means, do both. But, if I had to choose one over the other, I think I'd choose a years supply of MRE's.

I'm talking about capturing a mating pair of wild rabbits and trying to raise a colony in captivity. During the late spring / early summer is when you can find wild rabbit kittens in brush piles. They must already be "off of the mother" and basically "teenagers" for this idea to work... they need mother's milk to fully form their digestive tracts which are very fragile. 
Hunting is too time consuming and dangerous..even if you use bait...trapping is the way to go. Problem is it takes experience and practice..you don't want to wait until you are "under the gun" to learn the little tricks. 
Here is a rat trap   that really works....https://youtu.be/WOko8X6OH0A
Rat isn't my first choice for a meal...but this idea [A PIT FALL] could be adapted to  trapping other critters..how about a wild hog...?
 

omh » 13 Jul 2022, 11:04 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2022, 11:04 am

I am nowhere near a genius, just instinctively aware of what isn't possible regardless how many people say life exceeds this moment here. Even the universe doesn't, so how could one species?

Yes you are. You're just having trouble expressing it. I kinda roll your way, so maybe I can help, but maybe not... I'll try my friend! 

Skans » 13 Jul 2022, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2022, 12:58 pm

The key is to out-survive the hoards. The last thing I'd want to do is be out and about when every other angry fools is doing the same. In your situation, staying put is probably not a great option.  Those who get out first would have a better chance at finding a place to shack up for a short time. 

In a SHTF scenario, a long term food supply would be my biggest concern, with water being a far second.  I have a stream that runs through the far side of my land, but nothing is set up to irrigate crops. Even if I could ultimately plant my own food, that takes lots of time, lots of chance at failure. Over the long haul, if civilization isn't quickly restored, you need to find a good source of food.  Everyone thinks you can just raise chickens or rabbits or grow ****. Chicken and rabbits need food too, and bugs will eat nearly everything you grow.

That's great advice! If I can get outta here. What I need to do is really prepare with a remote site that I can stock. Because living in the city, there's nothing I can do if the SHTF. I can't transport everything at once. So I need a place to slowly bring things to. I'm looking at bunkers in ND... Have you seen those? 30K for an empty bunker. probably more now... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6DIchOpnc

it's actually south dakota!

The south hills of black dakota, that reminds me of Rocky Raccoon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDcDCZGcZj8

RunningWithScissors » 15 Jul 2022, 12:22 am » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:22 am

Yes you are. You're just having trouble expressing it. I kinda roll your way, so maybe I can help, but maybe not... I'll try my friend! 

Friends in need to lead, really are pests and very annoying. I need honesty equal to my own, nobody else is willing to do. I recognize how people use language they know exactly what I discuss means because they divert too subliminally to not know what I said.

your post is one of those circumstances my instincts are well aware of since I have been navigating around it for 40 years.

RunningWithScissors » 15 Jul 2022, 12:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:29 am

That's great advice! If I can get outta here. What I need to do is really prepare with a remote site that I can stock. Because living in the city, there's nothing I can do if the SHTF. I can't transport everything at once. So I need a place to slowly bring things to. I'm looking at bunkers in ND... Have you seen those? 30K for an empty bunker. probably more now...

I looked at one once.  It was basically a huge corregated steel pipe built out with sleeping quarters, living space, air filtration, bathroom and some other niceties. Here's a photo of something similar I was able to go inside of.



I think they now run about $70K  https://readymaderesources.com/product/ ... pipe-home/
While this would be great to have, I don't know how long you could actually live in one of these things, sanely, without ever going outside.
 

Skans » 15 Jul 2022, 7:48 am » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 7:48 am

I looked at one once.  It was basically a huge corregated steel pipe built out with sleeping quarters, living space, air filtration, bathroom and some other niceties. Here's a photo of something similar I was able to go inside of.



I think they now run about $70K  https://readymaderesources.com/product/ ... pipe-home/
While this would be great to have, I don't know how long you could actually live in one of these things, sanely, without ever going outside.

 this is nicer than a submarine...but with a sub you can "BLOW THE ****" with compressed air out into the sea.
I guess you could do something like that with one of these...especially when you have uninvited guests......

Submarine Sailors spend their time reading pocket books, playing small board games, doing crossword puzzles, electronic baby sitters and they eat more  / exercise less than the average.
The best Crossword Puzzle Doer I ever met was career Navy.   
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Jul 2022, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 1:56 pm

 this is nicer than a submarine...but with a sub you can "BLOW THE ****" with compressed air out into the sea.
I guess you could do something like that with one of these...especially when you have uninvited guests......

Submarine Sailors spend their time reading pocket books, playing small board games, doing crossword puzzles, electronic baby sitters and they eat more  / exercise less than the average.
The best Crossword Puzzle Doer I ever met was career Navy.

Yeah, these actually come with some kind of pressurized ****. You would need to  pump it out to a septic tank but if you are installing one of these on your property, you already have that. I think it has some kind of lift pump to at least get it into your thank.  I was pretty impressed when I saw one of these.   It would be nice to be able to have two of the large ones, but connected with another tube.  Then, I could put a hot tub in one of them, a big screen TV and a DVD player (not like Netflix is going to be working in a SHTF scenario)

Skans » 15 Jul 2022, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 2:09 pm

Yeah, these actually come with some kind of pressurized ****. You would need to  pump it out to a septic tank but if you are installing one of these on your property, you already have that. I think it has some kind of lift pump to at least get it into your thank.  I was pretty impressed when I saw one of these.   It would be nice to be able to have two of the large ones, but connected with another tube.  Then, I could put a hot tub in one of them, a big screen TV and a DVD player (not like Netflix is going to be working in a SHTF scenario)

Depending on where you live..the site prep work would be so great that you might as well buy your own 7 ton excavator..then sell it when the project is over.
I would never rely on a pump of any sort to handle my septic needs.
Gravity is weak but persistent.[Einstein quote]
I would bury that Big **** Tube [BFT] high enough on a slope for gravity to send the waste away.
Just the fresh air intake system would require site work if you wanted it to be concealed, tamper proof and low maintenence.
I would also have several wall mounted flat screen monitors to serve as "VIRTUAL WINDOWS" that are tied to video cameras.
My GF would insist on that.
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm

Depending on where you live..the site prep work would be so great that you might as well buy your own 7 ton excavator..then sell it when the project is over.
I would never rely on a pump of any sort to handle my septic needs.
Gravity is weak but persistent.[Einstein quote]
I would bury that Big **** Tube [BFT] high enough on a slope for gravity to send the waste away.
Just the fresh air intake system would require site work if you wanted it to be concealed, tamper proof and low maintenence.
I would also have several wall mounted flat screen monitors to serve as "VIRTUAL WINDOWS" that are tied to video cameras.
My GF would insist on that.

I like the virtual window idea - haven't thought of that. 

If you are going to completely bury a 12' diameter tube, I would think you would need at least about 20 feet of vertical slope to not have a pump, and then a large enough area for a drain field.  Better have a good engineer figure this out.