R: Ukraine-Russian War
By Phelix_Dacat
25 Mar 2022 3:00 am in Peanut Gallery
25 Mar 2022 2:40 pm
25 Mar 2022 3:08 pm
****OFFICIAL Rethuglirat propaganda****TB7 » 25 Mar 2022, 9:21 am » wrote: ↑ Obama's weakness led to Putin taking Crimea. Biden's weakness led to Putin taking whatever he wants. We the people agree. "Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine had President Trump still been in office, a majority of Americans said according to the results of a new poll. The survey released Friday from the Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll found that 62% of Americans believed Putin would not have pulled the trigger if Trump were still president, The Hill reported. The view was held by an overwhelming 85% of Republicans, but also 38% of Democrats. A further 59% of voters said Putin had decided to invade because Putin sensed weakness on the part of President Biden, while just 41% said that view had not played a role in Putin’s decision." The majority of We the People know this mess in Ukraine is due to Biden's weakness.
As is:
40-year high inflation (7.9%)
Empty shelves in stores
A humanitarian crisis of epic proportions on the border
Out of control crime in our cities
Record-high homicide rates in cities across the US
Afghan debacle
War in Ukraine
Iran attacks
NK
A tanking stock market
More Americans dead from covid under Biden than before he was elected
SKYROCKETING gas prices
Etc
Remember this in November.
I am Vladimir Putin and I approve of this statement
25 Mar 2022 3:13 pm
25 Mar 2022 3:23 pm
I only copy and paste sources I can trust.(And you can't stop me)Vegas » 25 Mar 2022, 2:46 pm » wrote: ↑ I would like to first know how we come to trust which sources. There is news about this everywhere. They all contradict in one form or another. I am being serious, if one has a source they trust, first explain why it is trustworthy over any other source.
And I trust Lester Holt. He would never lie to me.
25 Mar 2022 7:48 pm
Heard Biden is quietly trying to get Zelenskyy to surrender parts of eastern Ukraine to Russia just to end the war and give Putin his off ramp
25 Mar 2022 7:59 pm
I think I'll go by my instinct !Phelix_Dacat » 25 Mar 2022, 7:35 pm » wrote: ↑ Your own link says
Poroshenko conceded the results of the election in a speech soon after the polls closed and exit-poll data was released.[128][129] He wrote on Twitter: "We succeeded to ensure free, fair, democratic and competitive elections... I will accept the will of Ukrainian people."[130]
That is fatal to your argument the election was rigged and a coup. Do you have any evidence besides mere assertion?
It wouldn't be an exception if a politician lied to save his *** !
25 Mar 2022 8:05 pm
Heard it from who? Where?Warcok » 25 Mar 2022, 7:48 pm » wrote: ↑ Heard Biden is quietly trying to get Zelenskyy to surrender parts of eastern Ukraine to Russia just to end the war and give Putin his off ramp
Post your source.
25 Mar 2022 8:23 pm
The dub was terrible, that's for sure. But it is certainly a different take on things - and from a no less credible source, from my perspective. Indeed, I find Putin far MORE credible, with a far better track record than Biden, who has been in the WH, playing busy-body in Eastern Europe, each time Putin has acted against Ukraine.Phelix_Dacat » 25 Mar 2022, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑ I've looked for a transcript of Putin's speech with no luck. If you have one I'll read it. Listening to the dub's voice puts me to sleep.
I have read a few take downs of some of the points Putin makes. That Putin was forced to invade appears to be a favorite and easy line of attack.
I'll try to find a transcript again this weekend.
That fact is overlooked at the expense of any rational understanding of the situation, IMO. Biden is as much a common denominator as is Putin himself - and that Biden was part of the coup of 2013 isn't even controversial. I can give you video of the plot, if you haven't seen the tape, allow me. In the full tape, they name names about who will be in the Obama Administration's engineered coup government and who won't.
Bear in mind, BIDEN was running point in Ukraine. That is, IMO, precisely why Obama never stepped up and spoke up for Biden when the right was exposing him for corruption there. Obama was pissed that Biden had screwed the pooch over there - especially when he bragged about threatening to withhold funds unless the government fired a prosecutor "for corruption" (irony clearly unintended). In the thick of the conflict, Obama stepping up and saying, "I TOLD Biden to withhold those funds unless they fired that prosecutor" would have defanged his opponents. Obama kept silent - and I took his silence as meaningful. Didn't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdygnTrrGVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY
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You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
25 Mar 2022 8:37 pm
Your argument CANNOT be serious. You have to be putting us on.Phelix_Dacat » 25 Mar 2022, 7:35 pm » wrote: ↑ Your own link says
Poroshenko conceded the results of the election in a speech soon after the polls closed and exit-poll data was released.[128][129] He wrote on Twitter: "We succeeded to ensure free, fair, democratic and competitive elections... I will accept the will of Ukrainian people."[130]
That is fatal to your argument the election was rigged and a coup. Do you have any evidence besides mere assertion?
Last I checked, concession speeches aren't the gold standard by which we declare elections free and fair. Not even the bronze standard.
I know that in Venezuela, Hugo Chavez invited a U.N. panel to certify HIS elections, and my second favorite president, Jimmy Carter, served on that panel. As a result, we didn't have to rely on a CONCESSION SPEECH to judge the fairness of the process.
A concession speech, which is made by ONE GUY, possibly under threat or promise and with no professional qualifications by which to make the utterance beyond his mere personal feelings, genuine or pretended, is not even CLOSE to a certification by an outside agency.
Ukraine and corruption are synonyms on synonymfinder.com. And the transition was FROM a corrupt coup government (which handled the **** election) TO whatever "won." How real the "win" was is anyone's guess - but naysayers are far from refuted by the loser's **** concession speech. That argument is just a bad joke. Hell, GORE made a **** concession speech - give me a **** break.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
25 Mar 2022 8:51 pm
Warcok » 25 Mar 2022, 7:48 pm » wrote: ↑ Heard Biden is quietly trying to get Zelenskyy to surrender parts of eastern Ukraine to Russia just to end the war and give Putin his off ramp
link?
26 Mar 2022 7:04 am
THANKS FOR THE REPLY.......HOWEVER, YOUR....LET'S CHANGE THE SITUATION.....MEANS NOTHING. IT'S YOUR ATTEMPT, LIKE ALL demoKKKrats , TO TRY AND RE-WRITE HISTORY.Phelix_Dacat » 25 Mar 2022, 7:29 pm » wrote: ↑ The sole reason I didn't PG your post is because of the poll. I believe that's worth staying in case anyone wishes to discuss it. Next time, please supply a link to the content you're talking about. Since you didn't supply a link to the poll, I will. I note it was done the day after Russia invaded Ukraine. Sentiment might have changed by now. It often does.
It's Obama's fault. It's Dubya's fault. It's Clinton's fault. It's Trump's fault. It's Biden's fault. Meh. I'm trying to stay away from the Red Team vs Blue Team bickering in this thread. There are valid and substantive reasons to fault any or all of these people for their actions concerning Ukraine. A bitchfest about your least favorite politician is outside the scope of this thread.
Let's bring your post around a bit and make it more on topic. Fault. NATO? Putin? Zelenskyy? Let's stick with those three to make it simpler and see how that shakes out.
Mr. Putin lives next door to Mr. Zelenskyy. Mr. Putin notices Mr. Zelenskyy is in the NATO gun store. That night Mr. Putin goes next door and tells Mr. Zelenskyy he is not allowed to purchase a weapon and bring it into his house. Mr. Zelenskyy shuts the door in his face. Mr. Putin goes home very angry. The next day Mr. Zelenskyy bring home a big box that says NATO Guns. Soon afterwards Mr. Putin goes next door and burns down Mr. Zelenskyy's garage and kills Mr. Zelenskyy's wife, kids, and dog.
Change the situation. Mr. Putin believes Mr. Zelenskyy is a danger to himself and others. Does Mr. Putin now get a free pass to burn and kill?
Change the situation, again. Mr. Putin has video of Mr. Zelenskyy raving about how he is "going to teach that bastard Putin a lesson he'll never forget!" Does Mr. Putin now get a free pass to burn and kill?
I could keep going with this thought experiment, but let us cut to the chase and ask the question: at what point does YOUR neighbor get to come into YOUR house and burn stuff down and kill your relatives because he's angry at you for owning a weapon? Where's the line? When is that acceptable?
That's where I don't get the folks who support Putin. If you have a reasoned argument to make on that front, I'd like to hear it.
FACTS ARE FACTS....
PUTIN TOOK CRIMEA UNDER obama
PUTIN IS SLAUGHTERING UKRAINE UNDER joey
WE NOW HAVE
40-year high inflation (7.9%)
Empty shelves in stores
A humanitarian crisis of epic proportions on the border
Out of control crime in our cities
Record-high homicide rates in cities across the US
Afghan debacle
War in Ukraine
Iran attacks
NK
A tanking stock market
More Americans dead from covid under Biden than before he was elected
SKYROCKETING gas prices
NOW, WHO ARE THE FOLKS THAT SUPPORT PUTIN.
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