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@Skans  

$19,500 !

200 years old with all kind of certificates.

Will need a government permit to export it   . . .   about $2,000 +

Are you interested ?

I don't need to make even a $1  profit on this.

If not  . . .  I'll just buy it for my livingroom.


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My wife's father used to own two of those  . . .  with sheat and all !
He was a high police officer and a kendo pro.
I searched everywhere in his property  . . .  but all I could find were two European Middle Ages  stilettos   (how the **** did they get here ?)  . . .  a bit rusty but still quite in good shape !

And one 170 year old silver Yen.

The last one I gave present to the father of my second simultaneous wife.
Which I kind of regretted really  . . .  because he turned out to be a real piece of democratic **** !
Well, can't turn back what has happened !
Better to learn to live with it !

Sold the stilettos for about $7,000 each to an antiquity store, here in Osaka.

They looked pretty cool !

(Image is just for illustration.
They actually looked bettter than that.)

 

I inherited my 200 year old sword. 

It isn't Japanese.


 

JinnMartini » 13 Jun 2022, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2022, 10:32 am

@Skans  

$19,500 !

200 years old with all kind of certificates.

Will need a government permit to export it   . . .   about $2,000 +

Are you interested ?

I don't need to make even a $1  profit on this.

If not  . . .  I'll just buy it for my livingroom.


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My wife's father used to own two of those  . . .  with sheat and all !
He was a high police officer and a kendo pro.
I searched everywhere in his property  . . .  but all I could find were two European Middle Ages  stilettos   (how the **** did they get here ?)  . . .  a bit rusty but still quite in good shape !

And one 170 year old silver Yen.

The last one I gave present to the father of my second simultaneous wife.
Which I kind of regretted really  . . .  because he turned out to be a real piece of democratic **** !
Well, can't turn back what has happened !
Better to learn to live with it !

Sold the stilettos for about $7,000 each to an antiquity store, here in Osaka.

They looked pretty cool !

(Image is just for illustration.
They actually looked bettter than that.)

WOW - very nice.  I'm going to have to pass on that.  I honestly wish I knew more about the Katana. Is the one in that photo really 200 years old?  I really would like to hear more about it if you buy it. 
 

This is turning into a pretty cool sword thread! I inherited, what I was told to be a confederate short sword or artillery sword from my wife's grandfather. He and I sort of bonded and we got along pretty well. He said he had found it in West Virginia, which is where he was from. I had done a little research on it and believe it is really a German short sword. It's in pretty rough shape, and whether it was used in the Civil War or not, I don't know. It looks like this (not actual one, but really looks a lot like it):



Nothing compared to a really nice Katana!  The history and skill that go into making a high-quality Katana is something special.

Skans » 13 Jun 2022, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2022, 12:50 pm

WOW - very nice.  I'm going to have to pass on that.  I honestly wish I knew more about the Katana. Is the one in that photo really 200 years old?  I really would like to hear more about it if you buy it.

No, it's not the one.

In this swordsshop + swordsmithing lab they don't allow anyone to take pictures.
Most serious ones don't.
They're all very secretive about how they forge their stuff.
And their forms  . . .  which vary greately !
In fact in this kind of places there are not  TWO  katanas that are the same

They don't need to publicize their stuff either.
Serious potential buyers find their way for sure.
Not many customers  . . .  but they sure come from far & wide !
Mostly older, affluent Japanese  . . .  not your average 9 to 5 guys.

And they look with suspicion to a foreigner entering the premises.

I know this joint through my wife's father, during my first travel to Japan, to introduce me to her parents, prior to our marriage, who introduced me to them so I'm kind of accepted.
Especially after I flash out the visiting card they offered me with the handwritten name on it of one of their dynasty's swordsmiths  . . .  that is no more.
That happened over 40 years ago.
That is when all the ****-shimasu starts  . . .  long and deep bowing with the face  . . .  well  . . .  facing the tatami floor.

Before I buy it, though, I'll look some more to find out where the  hell my wife's father kept his two  . . .  they were two of the finest.

Wife said after his demise her mom threw all his belongings in a garbage dump.
But I find it hard to believe she would do this with his katanas !
Plus she kept all his Kimonos and Hakamas   (official uniform for Kendo competitions, where he was very skilled in)   . . .  
So the extensive search is still on !

LoL

Shops selling the worthless ones to tourists do allow pictures to be taken.
 
 

Her mom accepted me straight away . . . her father was extremely wary of me.

Until he saw how I use chopsticks . . . he said he was very surprised that a foreigner could hold them ALMOST as good as him.
And reprimanded my wife for not being as skilled !

But he never really melt down about me.

She was their only daughter and I often felt he was worried about what would happen to his wife if he came to pass away before her.
Which in fact happened.

But the position of my wife, as my wife, did not allow her to travel to Japan more than twice a year.
Finally she ended up in a nursing home . . . where, two years later, she became totally paralized.

Thanks to a dear cousin of my wife and one of her sons she got all the possible care (changing diapers, feeding her, bathing her . . . etc. etc.)

Untill my wife would fly back, stay 3 months and then come back home . . . only to fly back there after three more months.

It was hell for everyone involved.
The worst . . . for her mother who was always conscious until her demise, 4 years later.

I hope neither me or my wife meet the same fate.

A guy I knew, about my age . . . while having a dinner somewhere, suddenly stood up, proposed a cheers and while we all clicked our gasses . . . he took a sip of his wine and . . . fell dead as dead can be !
Not ONE twitch !

So weird !

Some bastards have all the luck !

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FOS » 13 Jun 2022, 10:54 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2022, 10:54 am

I inherited my 200 year old sword. 

It isn't Japanese.

Looks very nice !

Is it a Confederate sword ?

Could be both, of course  . . .  but somehow i feel it's a Confederate.

The moment I saw it  . . .  I pictured Lee brandishing it !

Can you post it completely out of it's sheath ?

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JinnMartini » 14 Jun 2022, 5:32 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 5:32 am

Looks very nice !

Is it a Confederate sword ?

Could be both, of course  . . .  but somehow i feel it's a Confederate.

The moment I saw it  . . .  I pictured Lee brandishing it !

Can you post it completely out of it's sheath ?

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It is not confederate. Although I am indeed related to Bedford forest...man if I had his sword that would be pretty amazing. 

But from what I've seen confederates favored the Sabre while this is a rapier. It is from Europe and stems from my scottish ancestry. 

 
 
 
 

Is about a 4 foot blade. has 2 confirmed kills


 

anyway the sword dates back to the napoleonic era. Typical sword used by the napoleonic cuirassier. although to be honest...mine is more fancy and in better condition that the average sword of the era.

the general tactic for this weapon was on horseback to stab between the collar bones and penetrate the heart of a man on foot.

this is why i was surprised to learn i have 0% french ancestry. But whatever...the french and the scots always had a close alliance and there were a lot of scots used in his heavy cavalry. I guess it comes from that.

i could probably sell it for 1-200k. if i wanted.
 

FOS » 14 Jun 2022, 6:11 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 6:11 am

.  .  .  has 2 confirmed kills
 

Cool, man !

That's what I was going to ask you next !

By means of dents  -  . . .  
Or crosses  x  . . . 

Can you show them ?
 

JinnMartini » 14 Jun 2022, 7:24 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 7:24 am

Cool, man !

That's what I was going to ask you next !

By means of dents  -  . . .  
Or crosses  x  . . . 

Can you show them ?

by stories of the guy who gave it to me, tbh. Hes been dead 20 years. But he fought in both world wars. both kills were Japanese people.
 

By the way I got annoyed at my photos cause an educated man might probably conclude I don't know basic fencing.

Actually I do. I was just doing a lazy photograph and didn't think if it till now.

Look. I get it.

FOS » 14 Jun 2022, 7:28 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 7:28 am

.  .  .  both kills were Japanese people.

That's not so nice !

Would have loved it if they had been arabs  . . .  or jews !

Same ****  . . .  different label !
 
 

JinnMartini » 14 Jun 2022, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 7:54 am

That's not so nice !

Would have loved it if they had been arabs  . . .  or jews !

Same ****  . . .  different label !

my ancestors fought on the wrong side of the world wars. Sorry. I am. 

JinnMartini » 14 Jun 2022, 4:31 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 4:31 am

No, it's not the one.

In this swordsshop + swordsmithing lab they don't allow anyone to take pictures.
Most serious ones don't.
They're all very secretive about how they forge their stuff.
And their forms  . . .  which vary greately !
In fact in this kind of places there are not  TWO  katanas that are the same

They don't need to publicize their stuff either.
Serious potential buyers find their way for sure.
Not many customers  . . .  but they sure come from far & wide !
Mostly older, affluent Japanese  . . .  not your average 9 to 5 guys.

And they look with suspicion to a foreigner entering the premises.

I know this joint through my wife's father, during my first travel to Japan, to introduce me to her parents, prior to our marriage, who introduced me to them so I'm kind of accepted.
Especially after I flash out the visiting card they offered me with the handwritten name on it of one of their dynasty's swordsmiths  . . .  that is no more.
That happened over 40 years ago.
That is when all the ****-shimasu starts  . . .  long and deep bowing with the face  . . .  well  . . .  facing the tatami floor.

Before I buy it, though, I'll look some more to find out where the  hell my wife's father kept his two  . . .  they were two of the finest.

Wife said after his demise her mom threw all his belongings in a garbage dump.
But I find it hard to believe she would do this with his katanas !
Plus she kept all his Kimonos and Hakamas   (official uniform for Kendo competitions, where he was very skilled in)   . . .  
So the extensive search is still on !

LoL

Shops selling the worthless ones to tourists do allow pictures to be taken.

Now, that sounds a lot like what I'd expect for a genuine hand-made Katana by an artisan. This is quite an interesting read, Jinn.  How I wish I was there with you to even experience the possibility of you purchasing such a sword - this is exciting. I know what good Katanas sell for - the price is not unexpected. I also know there are many different levels and grades of hand-made Katanas.  The artisan's name and reputation I believe is a very important factor.  It would take me years, maybe decades of study to fully understand Japanese swordsmithing, and it could probably only be done in Japan - not something I could ever expect to do remotely.  It is a fascinating craft.

If you purchase the sword, part of me really would like to see photos of it.  But, another part of me wouldn't want you to post photos of such a sword on the internet - there are reasons these artisans don't allow photos of their creations to be taken. 

I do hope you find your wife's father's two lost swords.
 
 

FOS » 14 Jun 2022, 7:39 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 7:39 am

By the way I got annoyed at my photos cause an educated man might probably conclude I don't know basic fencing.

Actually I do. I was just doing a lazy photograph and didn't think if it till now.

Look. I get it.

No need to be so formal !

We can differentiate a fool from knowleadgeable person !
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Only  . . .  a smile would fit better, behind that beautiful sword ! 
 

What about the "Spear of Destiny"?
The Lance of Longinus.

Xavier_Onassis » 14 Jun 2022, 11:37 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 11:37 am

What about the "Spear of Destiny"?
The Lance of Longinus.
The lance that pierced Jesus' side and may have killed him. And of course, that gave it "magical powers", because that is how one gets magical powers...