What Putin wants and why

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By Xavier_Onassis
15 Jun 2022 10:40 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Here is a map I thought was interesting.Image
 
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Nucleomituphobia » 15 Jun 2022, 11:00 am » wrote: I find zero interest in this map.

That's cause Ike is one of the dumbest posters ever.    :rofl:  
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 10:40 am » wrote: Here is a map I thought was interesting.Image
Let us begin with you are retarded.

Russia is slightly larger than the area in your map. In fact - and you can google this, - it's the biggest country on Earth. It HAS resources. Historically, the challenge has been getting TO them - not getting them. 

What Russia wants is to avoid the domination of the tranny culture of death that scum like you would foist on the Russian people.
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I do not see where the Ukrainians are particularly fond of gays or transsexuals. This is not a map of Russia, it is a map of Ukraine, showing that Ukraine has a lot of resources that Putin would surely like to control.
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 10:40 am » wrote: Here is a map I thought was interesting.
 
Thank you, Capt Obvious.
 
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Cannonpointer » 15 Jun 2022, 12:41 pm » wrote: Let us begin with you are retarded.

Russia is slightly larger than the area in your map. In fact - and you can google this, - it's the biggest country on Earth. It HAS resources. Historically, the challenge has been getting TO them - not getting them. 

What Russia wants is to avoid the domination of the tranny culture of death that scum like you would foist on the Russian people.
She/he/it is right to a point, every time Ukraine moves to develop their energy resources, Russian invades. (If there's a weak democrat president in the US) Russia doesn't want to develop Ukraine resources, so much as it wants to maintain it's dominance over the European oil supply. Russia wanted to invade around 2017 but thought better of it with Trump in office.
 
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 12:45 pm » wrote: I do not see where the Ukrainians are particularly fond of gays or transsexuals. This is not a map of Russia, it is a map of Ukraine, showing that Ukraine has a lot of resources that Putin would surely like to control.
Guess we should have tried harder at diplomacy. "Go **** your concerns, we are fast tracking Ukraine nato membership" perhaps wasn't the wisest response, particularly when Europe and Africa are dependent on the regions energy and food exports. Dumbest response I think I have seen and there has been some stupid **** the last few decades. 
 
 
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Cedar » 15 Jun 2022, 12:59 pm » wrote: She/he/it is right to a point, every time Ukraine moves to develop their energy resources, Russian invades. (If there's a weak democrat president in the US) Russia doesn't want to develop Ukraine resources, so much as it wants to maintain it's dominance over the European oil supply. Russia wanted to invade around 2017 but thought better of it with Trump in office.
It had nothing to do with Trump. Putin had to beef up his army and save up his cash because he knew that he would be slapped with serious sanctions, which has happened.  Ukrainians have the right to their own country, and as citizens of a sovereign nation they should be free to elect their own leaders and handle their own affairs.
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Cedar » 15 Jun 2022, 12:59 pm » wrote: She/he/it is right to a point, every time Ukraine moves to develop their energy resources, Russian invades. (If there's a weak democrat president in the US) Russia doesn't want to develop Ukraine resources, so much as it wants to maintain it's dominance over the European oil supply. Russia wanted to invade around 2017 but thought better of it with Trump in office.
Yeah maybe.

Or maybe he doesn't want NATO missiles on his border - hard to say. Could be a combo platter.

Not our problem - got a southern border to think about. 
 
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Cannonpointer » 15 Jun 2022, 3:21 pm » wrote: Yeah maybe.

Or maybe he doesn't want NATO missiles on his border - hard to say. Could be a combo platter.

Not our problem - got a southern border to think about.
He already had NATO missiles on his border. In Poland, for example. Look at a map.
It is clearly in the interests of the US that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and not a puppet of Putin.
Ukraine helps feed the world. Putin would use Ukrainian resources to pressure many smaller countries into some sort of submission.
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm » wrote: It had nothing to do with Trump. Putin had to beef up his army and save up his cash because he knew that he would be slapped with serious sanctions, which has happened.  Ukrainians have the right to their own country, and as citizens of a sovereign nation they should be free to elect their own leaders and handle their own affairs.
Every U.s warmonger response ever in this post right here. Ukraine won the war on Twitter but in real life they never stood a chance.
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Cannonpointer » 15 Jun 2022, 3:21 pm » wrote: Yeah maybe.

Or maybe he doesn't want NATO missiles on his border - hard to say. Could be a combo platter.

Not our problem - got a southern border to think about.
How long before Ukraine becomes the Afghanistan of Europe?
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Hank » 15 Jun 2022, 3:30 pm » wrote: How long before Ukraine becomes the Afghanistan of Europe?

The time will be expressed in a negative number - it's been that way since the obama fiasco.
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 3:27 pm » wrote: He already had NATO missiles on his border. In Poland, for example. Look at a map.
 
Yep. You are **** retarded.

Look t a map, jackass. Poland is not on Russia's border. 

The irony is that if you HAD checked a map, you **** moron, you'd have noticed that Turkey is.

So I will restate: Putin does not want MORE missiles on his border.

Okay - break's over. Back on Delanamore's crotch, fruitcake. 
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm » wrote: It had nothing to do with Trump. Putin had to beef up his army and save up his cash because he knew that he would be slapped with serious sanctions, which has happened.  Ukrainians have the right to their own country, and as citizens of a sovereign nation they should be free to elect their own leaders and handle their own affairs.
Serious sanctions? All we did is raise the global price of food and fuel, a real Mexican firing squad. "Don't invade or we will shoot ourselves and increase the value of your currency!" Real slick. Russia can get all their needs met by China, the same place we buy all our **** from. 
 
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm » wrote: It had nothing to do with Trump. Putin had to beef up his army and save up his cash because he knew that he would be slapped with serious sanctions, which has happened.  Ukrainians have the right to their own country, and as citizens of a sovereign nation they should be free to elect their own leaders and handle their own affairs.
So, to be CLEAR, the Obama Administration's coup - which led to the loss of Crimea - was a crime against the Ukrainian people?

Nullifying their votes and putting an American puppet government over them was a BAD thing?

Final answer, fruitcake?
 
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Xavier_Onassis » 15 Jun 2022, 12:33 pm » wrote: There are zero brains in your skull.

Said the fruitcake who insisted Poland shares a border with Russia - and smugly suggested I "check the map."

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Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave.
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ScottMon » 15 Jun 2022, 8:21 pm » wrote: Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave.
True, he wanted peace with Russia. He would be ashamed of natos expansion to their doorstep in violation to promises Reagan made to Gorbachev. Reagan ended the cold war freeing millions of people, only to have Biden restart it.
 
 
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