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If an EV Battery contains An EV battery weighs 1,000 pounds, contains 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper and 400 pounds of aluminum there will be no problem recycling them, In fact a Dead Ev Battery looks like it worth about $2,000 just for the Material in it, maybe even more.

supraTruth » 22 Jun 2022, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:13 pm

#BlueWave2022

DeezerShoove » 20 Jun 2022, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 11:13 am

You have to look at the life cycle of the thing like the "Hockey Stick Graph" the climate freaks were pushing. 
EV's are fantastic while whizzing along in between charging stations.

"On Thursday the Supreme Court handed down a ruling that will significantly curtail the power of executive agencies to control entire sectors of the economy through promulgating rules.While some commentators view this decision narrowly as a determination of the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) ability to promulgate regulations to address climate change, in practice, it sets a precedent that will limit the ability of all executive agencies to make regulations that shift entire industries without specific congressional authority to do so.According to legal expert Jonathan Turley, “it will be much more difficult for President Biden to order sweeping environmental changes without congressional approval” in the wake of this decision."



https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kru ... s-n1609610

roadkill » 01 Jul 2022, 5:36 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2022, 5:36 am

"On Thursday the Supreme Court handed down a ruling that will significantly curtail the power of executive agencies to control entire sectors of the economy through promulgating rules.While some commentators view this decision narrowly as a determination of the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) ability to promulgate regulations to address climate change, in practice, it sets a precedent that will limit the ability of all executive agencies to make regulations that shift entire industries without specific congressional authority to do so.According to legal expert Jonathan Turley, “it will be much more difficult for President Biden to order sweeping environmental changes without congressional approval” in the wake of this decision."

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kru ... s-n1609610

NYT staff seem to not understand the the Supreme Court should have no agenda.
It's bad that the court doesn't legislate from the bench...  

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.ny ... 2958b76017

DeezerShoove » 01 Jul 2022, 6:19 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2022, 6:19 am

NYT staff seem to not understand the the Supreme Court should have no agenda.
It's bad that the court doesn't legislate from the bench...  

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.ny ... 2958b76017

The EPA's wish list needs to be stopped. Funny how the left cries when the SC bitch-slaps them.  The left has been using the SC to promote their agenda for years.

roadkill » 01 Jul 2022, 6:23 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2022, 6:23 am

The EPA's wish list needs to be stopped. Funny how the left cries when the SC bitch-slaps them.  The left has been using the SC to promote their agenda for years.

To me, it seems amazing that **** go their entire careers as a NON-impartial judge and still manage to get placed in the position of Supreme Court Justice.

I'd rather have a room full of non-feeling assholes that see only the constitution and current law as the barometer for decision making.
Of course, that'll never happen. Humans are flawed and fallible. But to at least lean that way would be nice.

Sure, some stuff won't go "my way".
But, gee, ain't that how "fair" is supposed to work?

Huey » 20 Jun 2022, 11:11 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 11:11 am

I drive the West Va on 64 quite often.  Mountains look fine to me.  Also, my daughter lived there for a few years.  

Next, I suggest the EV crowd drive thru West Va on 64 with their EVs.  With Temps in the 30s.  The hills and the temp will GREATLY reduce your range.

Fly over WV sometime and you can easily see where the tops have been slashed off of mountains, and the runoff has resulted in polluted streams bordered by miserable little towns of shacks, ruined trailers and hovels.

Batteries will improve and more and more electricity will come from renewable sources. If your occupation involves driving through WV, then perhaps an EV is not a good choice. But most people do NOT have such occupations.

Xavier_Onassis » 01 Jul 2022, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2022, 10:06 am

Fly over WV sometime and you can easily see where the tops have been slashed off of mountains, and the runoff has resulted in polluted streams bordered by miserable little towns of shacks, ruined trailers and hovels.

Batteries will improve and more and more electricity will come from renewable sources. If your occupation involves driving through WV, then perhaps an EV is not a good choice. But most people do NOT have such occupations.

You liberal imbeciles don't even want to admit the largest potential problem as more and more people buy EVs, thinking they'll save on the high price of gas.
Care to guess what will happen when the inevitable blackouts and brownouts occur in many states this summer?
What do you think will be the first order from politicians when California declares an emergency power shortage during the next heat wave or when a wildfire breaks out?

California Warns of Possible Summer Blackouts as Power Runs Low 
Bloomberg By Mark Chediak May 6, 2022

• State says energy supplies could be short through 2025
• California has struggled to keep lights on past two summers

California has struggled to keep the lights on the past two summers, with grid operators imposing brief rotating blackouts in 2020 during a extreme regional heat wave that overwhelmed the grid. Officials warned of potential shortages last summer, although the state avoided having to impose blackouts after Newsom declared a grid emergency, which helped free up additional power resources.

The biggest challenge for the power system is during hot evenings in late summer and early fall, when solar production falls after sunset while demand for air-conditioning remains high, said Mark Rothleder, chief operating officer of the California Independent System Operator, which oversees the main state grid.

 

Expect More Blackouts This Summer

• May 9, 2022  San Diego News Desk

High temperatures lead to rolling blackouts, scheduled blackouts that are intended to save the state’s energy supply. But California has been experiencing a lack of energy as prices go up. Governor Newsom sent a letter to Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo about the delay in imported solar cells and modules to California. Due to this, California could be short of energy equivalent to what it takes to power 1.3 million homes. That number could go as high as 3.75 million if high temperatures and fires threaten power grids.

 

Map: Summer Blackouts Coming to Huge Swaths of US, Experts Say - If You Live in These States, Prepare Now 
The Western Journal By Warner Todd Huston  May 24, 2022 

Experts warn that Americans should start preparing for huge swaths of the nation to succumb to power outages this summer as the left works to end coal plants and force us into “green” energies that are woefully inadequate to fuel our economy.“At least a dozen US states from California to the Great Lakes are at risk of electricity outages this summer,” Bloomberg reported Sunday.The report cited a recent assessment from the North American Electric Reliability Corp. that much of the U.S. population is likely to suffer brownouts, blackouts and other disruptions in power during the hottest days of the year this summer.

 
 

Vegas » 20 Jun 2022, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 10:45 am

The two issues I have with EVs are the child slave labor and the recycling of the batteries. These mines are mostly dug by children. 

What is the plan for the batteries at the end of their use?

The same as we now do with lead acid batteries" RECYCLE THEM.

DeezerShoove » 20 Jun 2022, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 11:03 am

I have posted about that previously.

The "End of Life" with an EV is dubious at best.
Worst part is that half-ton poison box...

The entire life cycle of a steel car the burned fossils vs that wonderful green car driven by smug assholes...
This has always been a terrible comparison so it gets pushed back. Nobody should see it.

But, an industry has popped up.
Factories, peoples' jobs, legislation, reputations, etc. have become support structures to this sham.
Of course, the libs and  media were already sucking green tit... The parade of assholes just got bigger.

Many people, repeat, MANY people inside the sham know it for what it is. Can't easily stop the train.

roadkill » 03 Jul 2022, 6:54 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2022, 6:54 am

Well, at least that oil isn't burned & exhausted full of CARCINOGENIC toxic particles into our precious air.

supraTruth » 03 Jul 2022, 4:36 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2022, 4:36 pm

Well, at least that oil isn't burned & exhausted full of CARCINOGENIC toxic particles into our precious air.

They don't use EVs to drive to the strip-mining wind turbines to change the oil supraClueless.  What do they do with the used oil?

 

roadkill » 03 Jul 2022, 4:39 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2022, 4:39 pm

They don't use EVs to drive to the strip-mining wind turbines to change the oil supraClueless.  What do they do with the used oil?

Well most used Oil is sold to oil Burning Freighter on the Ocean, they BURN IT and Created Steam to make the Engine GO

Most engine oil is recycled. If you change your own oil, you can dispose of it free at many car parts stores, like O'Reillys, Advance Auto, and Auto Zone. It can be refined into fuel and lubricants.

Xavier_Onassis » 03 Jul 2022, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2022, 6:35 pm

Most engine oil is recycled. If you change your own oil, you can dispose of it free at many car parts stores, like O'Reillys, Advance Auto, and Auto Zone. It can be refined into fuel and lubricants.

If gas goes to $15.00/gal.......I will buy another horse.
I will ride it into town every evening at sunset.
I will buy a 6-pak of Corona.......& a bag of Doritos.
Ride home.
Call it a good day & be happy.                                                                            

This car is what started ...well today is the birthday of The Mother Of All Cars
A tricycle configuration...very lightly built with a two stroke gas engine.
1886...the first car was German built by Karl Benz

.......https://classiccars.fandom.com/wiki/Ben ... %2C%201886.

 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 03 Jul 2022, 8:17 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2022, 8:17 pm

This car is what started ...well today is the birthday of The Mother Of All Cars
A tricycle configuration...very lightly built with a two stroke gas engine.
1886...the first car was German built by Karl Benz

.......https://classiccars.fandom.com/wiki/Ben ... %2C%201886.

I didn't see that you had already posted the video on the old Veteran in Florida before I posted it.  Sorry about that.  

Vegas » 20 Jun 2022, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 10:45 am

The two issues I have with EVs are the child slave labor and the recycling of the batteries. These mines are mostly dug by children. 

What is the plan for the batteries at the end of their use?

AnnoyedLiberall » 20 Jun 2022, 3:15 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:15 pm

The whole EV is not well thought out.
It's great if you live in a bog city with a lot of charging stations.
In my town there in 1 charging station (I have never seen anyone at it).
I think there are 1 or 2 in a town about 25 miles west. Other than that, the closest is in Duluth at 65 miles away.
They are not practical for rural America.
Also, what about the military?
Are the tanks going to be electric?
Commercial Airplanes?
I don't think so.

Agreed!  
I watched a video last night of the long lines at a charging station in CA.  Had to be well over a dozen cars waiting in line to use one of the 15 stations, which take between 30 and 60 minutes to charge each car.  I found it amusing that people would not have considered this before plunking down $40,000 or more for their EV.  It was reminiscent of the gas lines during the Carter years, only now these dolts brought it on themselves.  Just imagine waiting an hour or more just to get to your turn at the station, then waiting there another hour or so until it charges!  I've got to believe that the kind of traffic that California is famous for has caused MANY EVs to die while stuck in traffic, making the existing traffic tie-ups far worse. 

But I know we'll never see those kind of stories on the news, will we? 
 

Most people with EV's will have charging stations at their homes. Of course, every time there is an opportunity to preach against EV;s, someone will take a picture and pass it off as typical.