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Here's where I am coming at this: There is a poll indicating a majority support for banning assault rifles. What kind of guns are they talking about banning? It's a nebulous term and it may not do any good.

I've been in tech support for decades and I know the difference between solving a problem and winning it. We're not going to solve it by blaming the NRA or Gun Manufacturers. We're not going to solve it by outlawing guns.

Maybe it's not ment to be solved. Whatever It is

Warcok » 20 Jun 2022, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:23 pm

Maybe it's not ment to be solved. Whatever It is

I don't accept that.  There is got to be a way in America to stop kids from getting shot up.  Other countries have done it.
 

Huey » 20 Jun 2022, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 2:45 pm

Actually, you have just destroyed your argument that the civilian semi auto AR 15 style weapons are assault weapons.  They are not.
 

I have to disagree with this.  AR's have been defined as "Assault Weapons" in various legislation. The term itself, is rather meaningless, gun people know this.  Heck, for that matter, semi-auto is just as meaningless; so is the term "Automatic".  Reference "Colt 45 Automatic pistol".......which is NOT an automatic.
 

ScottMon » 20 Jun 2022, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:13 pm

I've been in tech support for decades

Too funny...


 

Blackvegetable » 20 Jun 2022, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:05 pm

SG44

You mean StG44?  Not sure what point you are trying to make here, BV.
 

Skans » 20 Jun 2022, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:32 pm

I have to disagree with this.  AR's have been defined as "Assault Weapons" in various legislation. The term itself, is rather meaningless, gun people know this.  Heck, for that matter, semi-auto is just as meaningless; so is the term "Automatic".  Reference "Colt 45 Automatic pistol".......which is NOT an automatic.

I understand what you are saying.  Yes, legislation once Established what is an assault weapon.  Based on looks, not function.  By those who are not gun people.

What people don’t understand is once you strip away the flash suppressor, the rails, the hand grip, or the bayonet mount all you have is semi auto that fires an intermediate power cartridge once for each trigger pull.

Like a Ruger mini 14 ranch,

ScottMon » 20 Jun 2022, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:28 pm

I don't accept that.  There is got to be a way in America to stop kids from getting shot up.  Other countries have done it.

The problem really is in your mind.  Kids in schools getting shot up 1) is not a significant problem here in the US and 2) is easily solvable by not allowing 18 year old non-students with guns in the school.  There are other solutions as well, but let's just focus on these for now.

When parents entrust their kids to a school for an entire day, it is really up to the school to safeguard them against harm.  Ask yourself:

• Do schools lock up caustic chemicals so that kids don't get into them?
• Do schools have safeguards in place so that kids aren't playing too close to streets or in active parking lots
• If a school has a swimming pool, does it take measures to make sure that kids don't wonder into the pool and drown?

It isn't rocket science.  Had the school in Texas simply locked their doors like they were supposed to, the incident would never have happened.  There were so many stupid mistakes made, yet the gun-banners want to blame people who are responsible gun owners.  That's nonsense!
 

Huey » 20 Jun 2022, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:40 pm

I understand what you are saying.  Yes, legislation once Established what is an assault weapon.  Based on looks, not function.  By those who are not gun people.

 

True, true and true.

What people don’t understand is once you strip away the flash suppressor, the rails, the hand grip, or the bayonet mount all you have is semi auto that fires an intermediate power cartridge once for each trigger pull.

Like a Ruger mini 14 ranch,

Also true. 

Try asking one of them which of these is a select-fire machine gun:

Skans » 20 Jun 2022, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:45 pm

The problem really is in your mind.  Kids in schools getting shot up 1) is not a significant problem here in the US and 2) is easily solvable by not allowing 18 year old non-students with guns in the school.  There are other solutions as well, but let's just focus on these for now.

When parents entrust their kids to a school for an entire day, it is really up to the school to safeguard them against harm.  Ask yourself:

• Do schools lock up caustic chemicals so that kids don't get into them?
• Do schools have safeguards in place so that kids aren't playing too close to streets or in active parking lots
• If a school has a swimming pool, does it take measures to make sure that kids don't wonder into the pool and drown?

It isn't rocket science.  Had the school in Texas simply locked their doors like they were supposed to, the incident would never have happened.  There were so many stupid mistakes made, yet the gun-banners want to blame people who are responsible gun owners.  That's nonsense!

Fair enough.  In Texas, The shooter did have easy access.  However, In Sandy Hook, The shooter couldn't shoot through the bullet proof door but did shoot through the glass surrounding the door.
 

ScottMon » 20 Jun 2022, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:28 pm

I don't accept that.  There is got to be a way in America to stop kids from getting shot up.  Other countries have done it.

You can't stop kids from getting shot up. If some mental retard wants to kill kids he will find a vulnerable easy soft target and let loose.

and there is nothing you can do about it

Warcok » 20 Jun 2022, 4:12 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 4:12 pm

You can't stop kids from getting shot up. If some mental retard wants to kill kids he will find a vulnerable easy soft target and let loose.

and there is nothing you can do about it

If we had more teachers like you who were willing to defend the lives of their children by being deputized  with your own firearms..then the cowardly *** like Adam Lanza would realize in advance that his girlish temper tantrum / fantasy was doomed to failure befor he even attempted it.  


 

 

Skans » 20 Jun 2022, 3:56 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 3:56 pm

True, true and true.

Also true. 

Try asking one of them which of these is a select-fire machine gun:

LOL!  Been there done that.  They fail every time.  I once posted a pic of a M&P®15-22 Sport asking if it should be banned.  The leading assault weapon ban posters said yes. 

When it comes to discussing types of weapons, what each individual manufacturer make does or what is best I defer to guys like you and Squatchman.  

I am good with state laws, state carry laws, state stand your ground laws, and functions of weapons.  I was once a career soldier, an armored, range NCO and safety instructor.  I know an assault weapon from a semi automatic, have a concealed carry permit, and live and breath safety.

When I want to know such things like if a Glock 43x is worth the money I ask guys like you and him.
 

ScottMon » 20 Jun 2022, 4:08 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 4:08 pm

Fair enough.  In Texas, The shooter did have easy access.  However, In Sandy Hook, The shooter couldn't shoot through the bullet proof door but did shoot through the glass surrounding the door.

Would you have been able to stand up to the Girlish *** Adam Lansa if I handed you a fully loaded AR-15...or would you have just dropped the rifle and curled up into the fetal position....... praying that your Winged Unicorn  would swoop down and save you...?


 
 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 20 Jun 2022, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 4:28 pm

If we had more teachers like you who were willing to defend the lives of their children by being deputized  with your own firearms..then the cowardly *** like Adam Lanza would realize in advance that his girlish temper tantrum / fantasy was doomed to failure befor he even attempted it.  

If I was a teacher and a deranged dimocrat came in shooting the place up I'd be using those little bastards as meat shields while getting my *** to safety 

ScottMon » 20 Jun 2022, 4:08 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 4:08 pm

Fair enough.  In Texas, The shooter did have easy access.  However, In Sandy Hook, The shooter couldn't shoot through the bullet proof door but did shoot through the glass surrounding the door.

The real question is how are "shooters" getting into the school in the first place? How did Adam Lanza, who was 20 years old, get near any kids?  How does a guy wearing all black clothing, yellow earplugs, sunglasses, and an olive green shooting vest bust through the entrance and work his way into classrooms?  As if just one trained officer couldn't take out this punk.

The fact is, that Sandy Hook took place over 10 years ago.  10 years, and school administrations still haven't figured out how to keep 20 year old punks with next to no training away from children!  Yet, airports, courthouses, the Capital, etc. have all figured out how to harden their facilities.  Now, that is just pathetic!!!
 

Huey » 20 Jun 2022, 4:33 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 4:33 pm

LOL!  Been there done that.  They fail every time.  I once posted a pic of a M&P®15-22 Sport asking if it should be banned.  The leading assault weapon ban posters said yes. 

When it comes to discussing types of weapons, what each individual manufacturer make does or what is best I defer to guys like you and Squatchman.  

I am good with state laws, state carry laws, state stand your ground laws, and functions of weapons.  I was once a career soldier, an armored, range NCO and safety instructor.  I know an assault weapon from a semi automatic, have a concealed carry permit, and live and breath safety.

When I want to know such things like if a Glock 43x is worth the money I ask guys like you and him.

Hey, its always great to have other good gun resources around, especially when it comes to state carry laws.  My fascination is weapons design, particularly handguns.
 

Staplophobia » 20 Jun 2022, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 4:57 pm

Radio Shack?

When I was a kid, I loved Radio Shack. 
 

Huey » 20 Jun 2022, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 2:58 pm

Blackvegetable » 20 Jun 2022, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 2:58 pm

No, Reframy.  

You know the format for wordy things.

Now comply with your rule.

It is good Bv. Using both what Skans Posted and what I posted it is perfectly clear you agree that the semi automatic AR 15 style weapons ARE NOT assault weapons.

There is no need for you to restate anything.  Accept my admission I was wrong about your opinion.

I have conceded the point.
.

 

 

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 4:28 pm

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 3:14 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 3:14 pm

It means what it says.

Yeah, it does in context.  That is why you never link that.  

 

 

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 4:30 pm

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm

Game. Set. Match.

You left out the link again.

 

 

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 4:55 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 4:55 pm

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 4:41 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 4:41 pm

not necessary.

Your other rule.

I know it is not necessary NOW.  I already posted and linked it using my rule.

And you still haven’t answered the question from the post you cherry picked that from.  

 

**** anus.

Thanks. My Springfield Armory M1a is not an assault rifle.