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JinnMartini » 25 Jun 2022, 11:37 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 11:37 am

That's beyond me for sure.

But I'll be happy to find out whenever you deem it properly to disclose that.

For whatever this is worth  . . . I admire you  . . .  and wish I had half of your knowledge of guns.

Thanks, Jinn.  This particular sear is for an FN FNC (FN stands for Fabrique Nationale, an excellent Belgian maker of firearms).  The FNC, while in many ways being functionally similar to an M16 / AR-15 is a very unique, confusing and often misunderstood rifle.  Of course, that's why I chose this one. 

Now, I'm going to go all wonky technical on you here, so you can stop reading if you choose, I totally understand.  Where the AR-15 and other similar military style semi-autos have a lower receiver which is the serial numbered part of the gun (making IT and only it the actual gun by law), the FNC's upper receiver is the serial numbered part.  In 1986, the Gun Owner's Protection Act (f-ing **** name) made all machine guns manufactured after May 1986 or semi-autos converted after 1986 illegal and unable to be added to the NFA machine gun registry.  This means that AR-15 lower receivers can't be drilled and milled to accept a full-auto sear after 1986 - totally illegal to do this.

But, a Semi-auto FNC lower receiver CAN be drilled to install a full-auto sear, if that sear was made and registered per the NFA before May 1986.  And a company (Flemming) made and registered ****-loads of these full-auto sears as "machine guns" before the 1986 deadline - crap, just look how simple that piece of metal is!

But, here's the rub.  In 1989, George HW Bush signed a law that prohibited the import of semi-auto military style weapons.  The FNC could no longer be imported after that date. So, there's a very limited number of semi-auto FNC's out there and a bunch of these sears owned by somebody which have been registered.  Any semi-auto FNC can be legally converted TODAY into a fully functioning machine gun, if the owner of the "host" legally purchases the FNC sear which is the legal "machine gun" according to BATFE. The FNC, unlike the AR, can be modified today because the lower receiver, i.e. the part of the gun that would be modified to accept the sear, IS NOT THE SERIAL NUMBERED PART, and therefore not a gun, just a gun part.  And, BATFE does not regulate modification of gun parts.
 

Staplophobia » 25 Jun 2022, 12:42 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 12:42 pm

I have ZERO interest in Automatic Weapons. 
I love my Modern Sporting Rifles because they are semiautomatic

@Blackvegetable  the resident authority on Stocks, Gas and Oil, and Russian studies, ballistics, and other nonsense will likely tell a different story.

He will avoid this thread.  He knows it is above his head.

Staplophobia » 25 Jun 2022, 12:42 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 12:42 pm

I have ZERO interest in Automatic Weapons. 
I love my Modern Sporting Rifles because they are semiautomatic

@Blackvegetable  the resident authority on Stocks, Gas and Oil, and Russian studies, ballistics, and other nonsense will likely tell a different story.

Fair enough, I get that from a practical standpoint.  Especially if you are competing where reloading takes precious time and you are working your way through a course trying to make quick, precise hits without wasting ammo.  Semi-auto, possibly binary, works best for that.  I do think if someone becomes proficient at using a binary type trigger, it could decrease their time going through a course. However, traditional semi-auto guys tend to HATE binary-type triggers, because that's not what they are used to.
 

Staplophobia » 25 Jun 2022, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 12:55 pm

I hope you are correct.

Otherwise we will witness Melt Down Mary doing what he does best....

On the design and mechanics of the discussion Skans will have him crying.

Staplophobia » 25 Jun 2022, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 1:05 pm

AND HE DOES NOT HAVE A BIG GREEN EGG SMOKER!

 

That's worthy of a new thread.  Maybe I'll start one about grilling and smoking meat in the WC forum, unless you beat me to it.
 

Skans » 25 Jun 2022, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 1:09 pm

That's worthy of a new thread.  Maybe I'll start one about grilling and smoking meat in the WC forum, unless you beat me to it.

That would be good.  In a couple of weeks I’m getting a Pit Boss that will have a smoker.  First time I ever had one.

Skans » 25 Jun 2022, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 12:10 pm

It is a machine gun.  Like I said before, the term "machine gun" has no meaning outside of the legal definition given to it by the NFA.  All guns are machines.  The term "machine gun" is redundant and meaningless on its own.  The term "fully-automatic, on the other hand, at least has some intrinsic meaning when describing a particular kind of firearm.  All firearms are "machine guns".  A 600 Watt handheld laser would be an example of a lethal weapon, or possibly gun, that is not a "machine"; i.e. not mechanized.

Actually, that little piece of metal acts as a "trip" for the hammer when the bolt carrier reaches the point where the bolt has loaded and locked a round in the chamber, cycling the entire action again and again while the trigger remains depressed.

Dude i dont care what is 'technically' called a machine gun. nobody cares. Im not gonna get arrested carrying this into a walmart lol

Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 8:40 am

This gun part, called an auto-sear, is a legal machine gun, if it was registered pre-1984.



And, while you could illegally make one of these with a bench grinder and a drill, none of you would ever likely be able to figure out how to "make it work".  Question is, do any of you gun nuts know which gun this is for?  And, how can it be installed into a modified receiver if machine guns can't be manufactured (for civilian ownership) after 1984?

Hint - this is a tricky one to answer.

it looks like a part for the IKEA table I just bought... 

Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 1:23 pm

What Xavier fails to understand is that the term "machine gun" really has no meaning outside of the law that attributes a defined meaning to the term.

Take away any legal definition of the term machine gun, and what does the phrase really mean?  A gun that is a machine? As opposed to a gun that is not a machine.  You can see  ( @Xavier_Onassis  not so much), machine gun is a nonsense term just like assault weapon is without it being defined in some law.

For the love of Baal, Skans.

Read it.

https://www.library.ucdavis.edu/exhibit ... -violence/
 

Huey » 25 Jun 2022, 12:56 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 12:56 pm

On the design and mechanics of the discussion Skans will have him crying.

How did you find out?

RunningWithScissors » 25 Jun 2022, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 1:40 pm

it looks like a part for the IKEA table I just bought...

LOL, now that's funny!  I don't know what you paid for that Ikea table, but this sear will set you back about $15,000 (could be more by now), and that's without the gun.  Host gun will cost you close to $5,000.  Another $1,000 for the conversion too.  Oh, and another $200 to the government for the tax stamp and $300 to the SOT dealer for transfer fees.
 
 

Blackvegetable » 25 Jun 2022, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 2:26 pm

For the love of Baal, Skans.

Read it.

https://www.library.ucdavis.edu/exhibit ... -violence/

I read it.  My question to you is what part of that article do you think I didn't already know?
 

Blackvegetable » 25 Jun 2022, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 2:28 pm

How did you find out?

Find out what, specifically?

Skans » 25 Jun 2022, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:04 pm

I read it.  My question to you is what part of that article do you think I didn't already know?

He loves that link.  

Huey » 25 Jun 2022, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:36 pm

Find out what, specifically?

The answer to Skans' question,  InstantRecall.
 

Skans » 25 Jun 2022, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:04 pm

I read it.  My question to you is what part of that article do you think I didn't already know?

It appears you still don't understand why the "legal" definition is entirely irrelevant. 

Huey » 25 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm

He loves that link.

It's like Guns 101 for dummies.  Most of the stuff about guns was accurate, but then it starts giving opinions on why semi-autos need to be regulated like machine guns.  Now, that's ****.
 

Blackvegetable » 25 Jun 2022, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:40 pm

It appears you still don't understand why the "legal" definition is entirely irrelevant.

If you have a point to make, then make it.  I'm not going to sit here and guess about the point you are miserably attempting to make.
 

Blackvegetable » 25 Jun 2022, 3:39 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:39 pm

The answer to Skans' question,  InstantRecall.

If you read ALL of my posts on this thread you wouldn’t have to ask.  I knew what it was but I did not know what weapon it was for.

Looks like  @Blackvegetable   ran away.