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Skans » 27 Jun 2022, 9:00 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 9:00 pm

The flaw in this argument is that you are analyzing this purely from a man's perspective.  Sex is physically driven for men, but not quite so much for women.  Prior to contraceptives, women (and their fathers) went to great lengths to choose a mate who did two things - 1) financially provided for the woman and her family, and 2) provided upward mobility for her and her parents progeny. The woman and the woman's family choose with whom she will mate, and this process is driven far more by logic than by sexual desires.

To some degree, this is still the case today.  However, with Government stepping in and inserting itself as the roll of the woman's parents and supposed spouse, things have gotten a bit FUBARed.

At the risk of being redundant, wrong.  Men may not use logic when they stuff their dick in a warm wet ******.  But the women, the one who will have to carry the child to term and raise it; the one who has witnessed other women go through the pain and danger of labor, are all about using logic and thought in the reproductive process.

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 7:00 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 7:00 pm

I really don't understand what is confusing for you here. Am I just not articulating this?

Look a sentient ai must be able to make choices for itself. Right?

Why wouldn't it simply chose to do nothing and think of nothing?

What measurable benefit does the ai have for thinking at all?? What is the motive?

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:24 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:24 pm

I know what you are saying, it's just irrelevant. You are focusing on incentives. Who cares? I don't care about why it will think. The fact is, it will think.  Period. Why would it? Don't care. Maybe because it wants to talk about the **** weather...or maybe it wants to know why Jewish women are so ugly. Whatever. 

I am examining what the logical conclusion would be if we were to follow it to its end. If AI is being created in man's image, then logically it would have to follow the same pattern as us. Why wouldn't it?

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:25 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:25 pm

maybe it will choose to not think. 

Did you consider that?

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:27 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:27 pm

Some probably wont. No different than humans. Don't we have humans that choose not to think also?

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:29 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:29 pm

What choice?

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:31 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:31 pm

You are the one that brought up choice. You tell me.

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:32 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:32 pm

none. For the aI no choice.

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:33 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:33 pm

You asked 'what if the AI chose not to think.'

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:36 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:36 pm

And it will. You gave it no reason to do otherwise. 

This is me just trying to excite your empathy nerve.

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:38 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:38 pm

Like I said, I couldn't care less as to the incentives of why it would think. The fact is, it will. That's the whole point of AI. If it wasn't the point, then there wouldn't be AI at all.

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:42 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:42 pm

and I'm saying it won't lol.dont you get it? It won't. Why?

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:47 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:47 pm

I tell you what. Why don't you tell me why.

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:48 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:48 pm

that's my whole point. No reason.

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:51 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:51 pm

It's already been thinking for the past decade. AI is already in use, and it thinks. Saying that it has no reason to think doesn't negate the fact that it has already been thinking for the past 10 years.

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:53 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:53 pm

It isn't thinking.

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:51 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:51 pm

It's already been thinking for the past decade. AI is already in use, and it thinks. Saying that it has no reason to think doesn't negate the fact that it has already been thinking for the past 10 years.

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 11:55 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:55 pm

Look I am the proud owner of a real advanced chess program that has never invented the wheel.

Vegas » 27 Jun 2022, 11:56 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 11:56 pm

Your chess program is gay. It wasn't created to do anything but play chess. So why would it do anything else?