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Comparatively speaking...based on modern use of the word 'racism'...the nazis were far less racist than even the usa at the time...and arguably even today. 

Nazi 'race science' really only divided humans into 2 groups: Aryans and semites. 

It was NOT biologically based...for example the Japanese were regarded as Aryan. It was a spiritual distinction. Aryan were builders while semites were parasitic by nature. 

The sort of in depth scientific biological framing of race was much more of an American phenomenon. 

Nazis really never had anything to say about...for example...blacks. they did, however, criticize fdr for failing to sign the anti lynching bill. The nazis had absolutely no problem with Jessie Owens winning the gold medal in the 1936 Berlin olympics...and if the Olympics had been held in the usa at the time, he would not have even been allowed to compete.. 

Julius evola...a famous italian fascist...said quite explicitly that it was possible for a black man to have an Aryan soul...albeit rare...but he was not a nazi and thr nazis regarded him to be a bit of a kook. The Italian fascists with regard to Africans were in fact a bit more racist than German nazis...and there is plenty of evidence was not a big fan of the Italian invasion of Ethiopia. 

This is not me trying to be an apologist for nazis. In fact I rather predictably have more of an American biological concept of race...I just want to set the record straight here...all you people who were told how racist the nazis were have simply been lied to. You could certainly call them anti semites...but the vast majority had nothing similar to the modern concept of race. They really did not care about skin color (indeed...jews aren't exactly black)
 
 
 

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 5:36 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 5:36 pm

Comparatively speaking...based on modern use of the word 'racism'...the nazis were far less racist than even the usa at the time...and arguably even today. 

Nazi 'race science' really only divided humans into 2 groups: Aryans and semites. 

It was NOT biologically based...for example the Japanese were regarded as Aryan. It was a spiritual distinction. Aryan were builders while semites were parasitic by nature. 

The sort of in depth scientific biological framing of race was much more of an American phenomenon. 

Nazis really never had anything to say about...for example...blacks. they did, however, criticize fdr for failing to sign the anti lynching bill. The nazis had absolutely no problem with Jessie Owens winning the gold medal in the 1936 Berlin olympics...and if the Olympics had been held in the usa at the time, he would not have even been allowed to compete.. 

Julius evola...a famous italian fascist...said quite explicitly that it was possible for a black man to have an Aryan soul...albeit rare...but he was not a nazi and thr nazis regarded him to be a bit of a kook. The Italian fascists with regard to Africans were in fact a bit more racist than German nazis...and there is plenty of evidence was not a big fan of the Italian invasion of Ethiopia. 

This is not me trying to be an apologist for nazis. In fact I rather predictably have more of an American biological concept of race...I just want to set the record straight here...all you people who were told how racist the nazis were have simply been lied to. You could certainly call them anti semites...but the vast majority had nothing similar to the modern concept of race. They really did not care about skin color (indeed...jews aren't exactly black)

They didn’t care about skin color because there were not that many black Germans at the time BUT they were viewed as threat to the purity of the German race,

The Nazis viewed Afro-Germans—children with one African parent and one German parent—as a threat to the purity of the Germanic race. In his 1925 autobiography, Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Adolf Hitler charged that “the Jews had brought the ****** into the Rhineland with the clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily-resulting bastardization.” 

Once the Nazi regime came to power, Afro-Germans were marginalized in German society, isolated socially and economically, and not allowed to attend university. Racial discrimination prohibited them from seeking most jobs. By the end of 1937, the Gestapo had secretly rounded up and forcibly sterilized many Afro-Germans. Some were subjected to medical experiments; others mysteriously “disappeared.”

In addition to being persecuted for their race, Afro-Germans were persecuted for other reasons. For example, Hilarius Gilges was an Afro-German dancer and Communist activist from Düsseldorf, Germany. Nazis murdered him on June 20, 1933, for his politics, as well as his race. Today, Hilarius Gilges Platz in Düsseldorf memorializes Gilges as a victim of Nazi terror.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... -holocaust

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 5:47 pm

They didn’t care about skin color because there were not that many black Germans at the time BUT they were viewed as threat to the purity of the German race,

The Nazis viewed Afro-Germans—children with one African parent and one German parent—as a threat to the purity of the Germanic race. In his 1925 autobiography, Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Adolf Hitler charged that “the Jews had brought the ****** into the Rhineland with the clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily-resulting bastardization.” 

Once the Nazi regime came to power, Afro-Germans were marginalized in German society, isolated socially and economically, and not allowed to attend university. Racial discrimination prohibited them from seeking most jobs. By the end of 1937, the Gestapo had secretly rounded up and forcibly sterilized many Afro-Germans. Some were subjected to medical experiments; others mysteriously “disappeared.”

In addition to being persecuted for their race, Afro-Germans were persecuted for other reasons. For example, Hilarius Gilges was an Afro-German dancer and Communist activist from Düsseldorf, Germany. Nazis murdered him on June 20, 1933, for his politics, as well as his race. Today, Hilarius Gilges Platz in Düsseldorf memorializes Gilges as a victim of Nazi terror.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... -holocaust

The germans DID view racial purity as important. And they DID view jews as cynically confusing thr nations of other while keeping their own pure (a thing they are still doing, clearly).

This was not based on some concept of the inferiority of other races...it was based on the intrinsic benefits of racial purity. 

Which is actually perfectly sound scientifically. A purebred hyman...just like a purebred horse or dog...is fine tuned with certain particular talents. A pit bull is better at pit fighting than a greyhound...a greyhound runs faster than a bit bull...a mix is not terribly good at either. 

That is thr concept of racial purity and there is no 'supremacy' involved. Indeed the idea that whites are somehow superior is far more of an anglo concept than a german one. 

I suppose that I you consider the idea of purebreds to be racist then you could call the naxis racist. But it still was drastically different from what people commonly mean by racism. 

FOS » 27 Jun 2022, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 6:00 pm

The germans DID view racial purity as important. And they DID view jews as cynically confusing thr nations of other while keeping their own pure (a thing they are still doing, clearly).

This was not based on some concept of the inferiority of other races...it was based on the intrinsic benefits of racial purity. 

Which is actually perfectly sound scientifically. A purebred hyman...just like a purebred horse or dog...is fine tuned with certain particular talents. A pit bull is better at pit fighting than a greyhound...a greyhound runs faster than a bit bull...a mix is not terribly good at either. 

That is thr concept of racial purity and there is no 'supremacy' involved. Indeed the idea that whites are somehow superior is far more of an anglo concept than a german one. 

I suppose that I you consider the idea of purebreds to be racist then you could call the naxis racist. But it still was drastically different from what people commonly mean by racism.

****, after being stationed in Germany twice I call them more racist than us.  One of the things they told people in the 90s was black peoples had monkey tails.

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 6:02 pm

****, after being stationed in Germany twice I call them more racist than us.  One of the things they told people in the 90s was black peoples had monkey tails.

Germany today is an occupied country. It has no bearing on the nazis. Obviously being occupied by anglos caused them to become more anglo.