Liberal Forum

these were the 25 points of the nsdap. And yes, they were pretty loyal to these for the most part. 

1. We demand the union of all Germans to form the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination enjoyed by the nations.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations; and abolition of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people and colonization for our superfluous population.
4. None but members of the nation may be citizens of the state. None but those of German blood, whatever their creed may be. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the nation.
5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to foreign laws.
6. The right of voting on the state's government and legislation is to be enjoyed by the citizen of the state alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, shall be granted to citizens of the state alone. We oppose the corrupting custom of parliament of filling posts merely with a view to party considerations, and without reference to character or capability.
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to nourish the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) must be excluded from the Reich.

8. All immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be required immediately to leave the Reich.
9. All citizens of the state shall be equal as regards rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the whole for the benefit for the general good. We demand therefore:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice of life and property that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment due to a war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. Therefore, we demand ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts).
14. We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
 

19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the state must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that:

a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race;

b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the state to be published. They may not be printed in the German language;

c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications or any influence on them and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework.
THE COMMON INTEREST OVER INDIVIDUAL INTEREST[13]
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

Other relevant laws/rights the nsdap introduced...which people might not expect or were misinformed about...include the following:

1) various environmentalist laws including a rather new idea of animal rights...much of which germany STILL follows. Cruelty to animals was illegal. The Nsdap did consider kosher and halal slaughter to be cruelty to animals.

2) relaxing of gun control. I have heard people lie and say that the germans confiscated guns. it is the opposite. they gave the reglar german more access to guns than they had in the wiemar. They did have gun control against jews, however.

3) No mandatory vaccinations. this is largely because of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCbeck_disaster ...but it is also true that the NSDAP did have respect for individual choice and also they believed in nature and natural healing.

4) Germans were not permitted to have abortions...but non germans were.

SO anyway....clearly they were both nationalist and socialist.

people who are offended by the nationalism might remind themselves that if there is no germany for the german people...then what country would be for them? German nationalism is no different from Ghandi insisting that indians rule themselves and telling the british to leave. Or vietnam telling the french to leave. If europeans arent allowed to have their own country, then why is everyone else allowed to?

And the socialism of the NSDAP was very unique...and imo very effective...because it abolished rent seeking.

You make money from your paycheck. plain and simple.

You cannot make money from simply having money.

Inheritance was okay...but anything else was frowned on.

Not even communist countries were willing to enforce that detail...which is why wealth inequality was still terrible in communist countries.

My father bombed the **** out of the National Socialists in Germany. US Army Air Force B-24 Liberator. My uncle was in the 1st Infantry Div. and killed many National Socialists. He made it all the way to Aachen, Germany before he was knocked out of the war. National Socialism did not work.

johndnorth » 17 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm

My father bombed the **** out of the National Socialists in Germany. US Army Air Force B-24 Liberator. My uncle was in the 1st Infantry Div. and killed many National Socialists. He made it all the way to Aachen, Germany before he was knocked out of the war. National Socialism did not work.

it didnt work because you bombed it?

jesus was crucified also...i guess that refutes christianity, eh?

FOS » 17 Jul 2022, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2022, 8:00 pm

SO anyway....clearly they were both nationalist and socialist.

people who are offended by the nationalism might remind themselves that if there is no germany for the german people...then what country would be for them? German nationalism is no different from Ghandi insisting that indians rule themselves and telling the british to leave. Or vietnam telling the french to leave. If europeans arent allowed to have their own country, then why is everyone else allowed to?

And the socialism of the NSDAP was very unique...and imo very effective...because it abolished rent seeking.

You make money from your paycheck. plain and simple.

You cannot make money from simply having money.

Inheritance was okay...but anything else was frowned on.

Not even communist countries were willing to enforce that detail...which is why wealth inequality was still terrible in communist countries.

I love how it prohibits war profiteering.  Imagine if US citizens were not taxed by the MIC, that would be incredible

johndnorth » 17 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm

My father bombed the **** out of the National Socialists in Germany. US Army Air Force B-24 Liberator. My uncle was in the 1st Infantry Div. and killed many National Socialists. He made it all the way to Aachen, Germany before he was knocked out of the war. National Socialism did not work.

it was so strong the combined efforts of all the empires of earth could barely defeat it
 

johndnorth » 17 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm

My father bombed the **** out of

Your father was a dick sucker who murdered innocent women and children, fruitcake.