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SJConspirator » 21 Jul 2022, 11:45 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:45 am

I assumed he had a good point that was over my head.  Maybe he bamboozled me

thats a standard Jewish psychology trick. As far as I could see,, all he did was change the subject. He's arguing for global trade, not against unions. 

SJConspirator » 21 Jul 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:43 am

I already told FOS you’re contributions here have been somewhat impressive, now how does a global warming alarmist easily dismiss the massive tonnage of greenhouse gasses that fuel mass transport on a global scale?

You can tell me, unambiguously...
because I don't want to hear you whine again.

Then I will address yet another of your questions. 


 

FOS » 21 Jul 2022, 11:47 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:47 am

thats a standard Jewish psychology trick. As far as I could see,, all he did was change the subject. He's arguing for global trade, not against unions.

I am not a economics major, I had one semester of macroeconomics in college.  Also I think he is more well traveled than me.

Heres the perspective I come from: growing up in Flint, MI.  It was. Motor town like Detroit.

In the 1960s, a worker could spend years in auto assembly plants, Ford, GM, Fisher body etc.. and make a damn fine living for the time on one income.  

Then came foriegn competition.. GLOBALISM.  Japanese automakers (and automation of assembly lines) led to closures of previously booming auto industry, and Flint and Detroit became huge depressed ghettos in just a few years.

Yeh.. **** globalism

FOS » 21 Jul 2022, 11:45 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:45 am

thus the fascist concept of autarky. 

Which basically observes that if you rely on a foreign nation for necessary goods then they are able to hold that fact over your head and restrict your sovereignty. 

The solution? Imperialism. Seize territory that has the resources you need. 

Thus Hitler was interested in conquering Ukraine. They had oil and farmland...exactly what Germany lacked.. 

nobody likes imperialism but it is impossible to deny that autarky is al.ost necessary for a country that wants to be sovereign.

Nations can be perfectly sovereign in the absence of autarky, stupid ****.

SJConspirator » 21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am

I am not a economics major, I had one semester of macroeconomics in college.  Also I think he is more well traveled than me.

Heres the perspective I come from: growing up in Flint, MI.  It was. Motor town like Detroit.

In the 1960s, a worker could spend years in auto assembly plants, Ford, GM, Fisher body etc.. and make a damn fine living for the time on one income.  

Then came foriegn competition.. GLOBALISM.  Japanese automakers (and automation of assembly lines) led to closures of previously booming auto industry, and Flint and Detroit became huge depressed ghettos in just a few years.

Yeh.. **** globalism

It wasn't foreign competition. The usa literally just decided to sabotage its own manufacturing and give it to foreign countries, especially China. 

the borders of the usa contain every resource we could possibly want to have a thriving manufacturing sector. It was easy when we had it...it would be easy again. 

but our leaders do not want it. For some reason. We want to be reliant on foreign countries. Then they act like we can still sanctions those countries. 

Blackvegetable » 21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am

Nations can be perfectly sovereign in the absence of autarky, stupid ****.

vapid assertion...which fails to address the very clear and logical points that I made.
 

SJConspirator » 21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am

I am not a economics major, I had one semester of macroeconomics in college.  Also I think he is more well traveled than me.

Heres the perspective I come from: growing up in Flint, MI.  It was. Motor town like Detroit.

In the 1960s, a worker could spend years in auto assembly plants, Ford, GM, Fisher body etc.. and make a damn fine living for the time on one income.  

Then came foriegn competition.. GLOBALISM.  Japanese automakers (and automation of assembly lines) led to closures of previously booming auto industry, and Flint and Detroit became huge depressed ghettos in just a few years.

Yeh.. **** globalism

You think Flint is unique, or even a precedent?

Do you know anything about the history of the mills powered by the Merrimack River between Manchester, N.H and Lowell, MA.?

50 or 60 miles.

In 1900, it was the most densely populated area on the planet.

Then people stopped wearing wool, exclusively.

15 years later, all the fortunes evaporated.
 

Blackvegetable » 21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:54 am

FOS » 21 Jul 2022, 11:45 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:45 am

thus the fascist concept of autarky. 

Which basically observes that if you rely on a foreign nation for necessary goods then they are able to hold that fact over your head and restrict your sovereignty. 

The solution? Imperialism. Seize territory that has the resources you need. 

Thus Hitler was interested in conquering Ukraine. They had oil and farmland...exactly what Germany lacked.. 

nobody likes imperialism but it is impossible to deny that autarky is al.ost necessary for a country that wants to be sovereign.

Nations can be perfectly sovereign in the absence of autarky, stupid ****.

And yet there a none.

• There are no fully-autarkic nations in the modern world, as even the most isolated have some level of participation in international trade and receive outside support or aid.
• North Korea and Nazi Germany are two examples of nations that have pursued a policy of autarky.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/autarky.asp
 
 

FOS » 21 Jul 2022, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 11:58 am

vapid assertion...which fails to address the very clear and logical points that I made.

Absent a correlation between autarky and sovereignty, what remains?

Huey » 21 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm

And yet there a none.

• There are no fully-autarkic nations in the modern world, as even the most isolated have some level of participation in international trade and receive outside support or aid.
• North Korea and Nazi Germany are two examples of nations that have pursued a policy of autarky.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/autarky.asp

Buzzy,

Please shut the **** up.

Of course there aren't any....I think the last real one died shortly after WW2.
 

Huey » 21 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm

And yet there a none.

• There are no fully-autarkic nations in the modern world, as even the most isolated have some level of participation in international trade and receive outside support or aid.
• North Korea and Nazi Germany are two examples of nations that have pursued a policy of autarky.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/autarky.asp

well north Korea is unable to because they have a severe shortage of arable land and they aren't conquering any.

FULL autarky isn't really necessary. Can you get enough of the important stuff domestically? Fine, good enough

Blackvegetable » 21 Jul 2022, 12:01 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:01 pm

Absent a correlation between autarky and sovereignty, what remains?

like I said. There is a correlation. You cannot just willpower you way out of that.

FOS » 21 Jul 2022, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:04 pm

like I said. There is a correlation. You cannot just willpower you way out of that.

I said "ABSENT one", because it isn't a necessary condition.

Blackvegetable » 21 Jul 2022, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:05 pm

I said "ABSENT one", because it isn't a necessary condition.

But it is. Obviously. If all your food comes from some foreign country then they can...and will...say that you have to do x for them or they will stop sending you food. 

And you will have no choice but to accept.

FOS » 21 Jul 2022, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:06 pm

But it is. Obviously. If all your food comes from some foreign country then they can...and will...say that you have to do x for them or they will stop sending you food. 

And you will have no choice but to accept.

That is a condition other than sovereignty..

"Road to Extinction by Way of Insanity" perhaps.
 

Warcok » 21 Jul 2022, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 10:39 am

You're really putting all your chips behind that goofy *** YouTube cartoon to speak for you, eh?

lmao

https://youtu.be/JBudiVNsW2E

Two reasons for union decline in the US

1.  Diversity
2.  Media control (propaganda)

Blackvegetable » 21 Jul 2022, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:09 pm

That is a condition other than sovereignty..

"Road to Extinction by Way of Insanity" perhaps.

You are being quite dumb. Why was imperial age Europe able to install puppet governments all over the world? Because those countries relied on European exports. Industrial, agricultural, and medical technology. 

Sovereignty means you are not forced to do what another country tells you to do. Either by economic or military pressure. 

A child can see this. You are scoffing in desperation. 
 
@SJConspirator  do you see this crap? He's an idiot. i have this guy on ignore but you inspired me to respond because you suggested he is being substantial. 

No he isn't lol. Back to his ignore corner.
 
 
 

SJConspirator » 21 Jul 2022, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 8:02 am

I must ask :  what is it about prosperity that you hate?

...'prosperity' is largely measured/gauged in 'dollars'... a subject about which you are at very low puppet trump c@cksucker-level of understanding.... word...    
 

SJConspirator » 21 Jul 2022, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:14 pm

Two reasons for union decline in the US

1.  Diversity
2.  Media control (propaganda)

I come from a union family. I was a member of the AFLCIO. And it WAS the only job in impoverished central maine that i had health benefits.
Nasty father worked the carpenters union. He was making 16 an hour. Years ago. when the local maine men were working for 7? wtf? He did have to pay dues.. He retired with a pension and a nice ss check.
They used to call me up on the telephone? and want me to work for them.. lolol
I would like to add to my comment. These days the unions seem to be getting a bit too weird. Like the teachers union.. woke. So in my world the jury is out on this.
we will see how it all plays out. They used to be good?

sootedupCyndi » 21 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm

I come from a union family. I was a member of the AFLCIO. And it WAS the only job in impoverished central maine that i had health benefits.
Nasty father worked the carpenters union. He was making 16 an hour. Years ago. when the local maine men were working for 7? wtf? He did have to pay dues.. He retired with a pension and a nice ss check.
They used to call me up on the telephone? and want me to work for them.. lolol
I would like to add to my comment. These days the unions seem to be getting a bit too weird. Like the teachers union.. woke. So in my world the jury is out on this.
we will see how it all plays out. They used to be good?

There is always a risk that unions...like any other institution (thr catholic church for example) becomes cooped by people with a political agenda. 

Which is why Hitler shut down (and imprisoned) the Communist led private unions in Germany and replaced them with the public German labor front. 

There isno guarantee that union leaders give a **** about their workers that they are in theory representing. 

Same with our politicians.