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TB7 » 26 Jul 2022, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 9:12 am

Balanced forces cannot bring a body to rest. Balanced forces can act on a body which is already at rest or in motion, but equal forces cannot change a bodies acceleration, kinetic energy, or momentum.
 

perpetual motion doesn't bring anything existing perpetually balancing between erosion and decomposition to rest even after dead a body still evolves as decomposing back to nothing.

Conception brings forth something that never existed before, a compounding replacement for those moving DNA forward the current 5 generations occupying space now.

I explain DNA compounding as it happens between specific results and random events where genetics eternally separates generations arriving one at a time ing and leaving when dying alone or tragic event.

I don't need to know specific details because it all works the same way. Mutually timed apart now in series parallel displacement regardless inorganic or ancestral displacement occupying space universally currently changing form shaped since combined periodic elements or compounded DNA of reproductive cells conceived another lifetime, another generation forward here.

Your mind won't accept actual life supplying doubt and your brain seeks an understanding no reality supplies. Guess what causes bipolar disorder? Saving humanity.

omh » 26 Jul 2022, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 12:33 pm

 Guess what causes bipolar disorder? 

TDS....for sure

TB7 » 25 Jul 2022, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2022, 6:06 pm

interesting.....nice read

this is interesting too
Forced Celibacy Leads to Catholic Sex Abuse - Atheist Republic
https://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/

forced-celibacy-leads-catholic-sex-abuseForced Celibacy Leads to Catholic Sex Abuse. A new five-year research study has analyzed the systemic reasons why the abuse of children has plagued the Catholic Church worldwide. The report

but, i venture to say...if true...then all leaders are susceptible

...what's with the tranny avatar? ...you coming out of the closet?

TB7 » 26 Jul 2022, 12:38 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 12:38 pm

TDS....for sure

That is one sided narrative thinking, I am talking within the species itself regardless generation, race, creed, color, national origin, gender displaced, gender identity, sexual preference, all the things vernacular tribalism established as discrimination as everyone pretends to be discriminating for a greater good cause that affects everyone effectively the same way.

what changes between psychological class warfare and physical war within the same species over which side governs global trade.

United States was self sufficient before the civil war and up until Teddy Roosevelt 7 1/2 years and Woodrow Wilson's 8 years that cemented the walk towards socialism that arrived in 2009. And in 2020 lid on the coffin was nailed down upon the 'representative republic established in 1789.

Baby steps. Patience is a virtue working power of suggestion sustaining doubt all 5 constantly changing people generations alive here now.

FOS » 25 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm

I would say that even if this is true...the primary cause is probably that the priests have very weak faith. 

Obviously if they really believed they would go to hell for it...they would be unlikely to do it. Right?

It is not the forced celibacy directly that leads to Catholic Priest sex abuse.  Homosexuals historically didn't get married and after a man reached his 30's, with never a prospect for marriage, the community would chide the man and his family for being a bugger, a fairy, a pansy, a uranian, or an invert. 

In the Catholic communities, when a family of breeding came to suspect that one of their sons was not interested in women, they would encourage him to go to Catholic seminary high school, where the boy would be prepared to enter the clergy, and Catholic seminary college would prepare him to enter the Priesthood.  Lesbians would likewise be shuffled off to a convent.  This was (supposed to be) a place where people with such strange proclivities would remain celibate, refrain from homosexual sin and serve God. It made them respectable and the families of these people could be proud of their children who became Priests instead of leading a life of homosexual debauchery. 

The problem is two-fold:  1) these homosexuals cared little if nothing about God, they were forced into the Priesthood for fear of being outed and shaming not just themselves but also their families and 2) they still very much wanted to fornicate with other men.  And, they were provided with ample opportunity to bugger other men like themselves, and for some of these priests, they had a sick liking for little boys as well. 

Homosexuality is an evil that festered within the Church because there were no other acceptable outlets for homosexual Catholics. Truly, homosexuality is the problem.  Prominent Catholics thought they found a righteous solution to the homosexual problem, but actually created the fortified nests where entire communities of perverts lurk and thrive.

 
 

Skans » 26 Jul 2022, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 1:23 pm

It is not the forced celibacy directly that leads to Catholic Priest sex abuse.  Homosexuals historically didn't get married and after a man reached his 30's, with never a prospect for marriage, the community would chide the man and his family for being a bugger, a fairy, a pansy, a uranian, or an invert. 

In the Catholic communities, when a family of breeding came to suspect that one of their sons was not interested in women, they would encourage him to go to Catholic seminary high school, where the boy would be prepared to enter the clergy, and Catholic seminary college would prepare him to enter the Priesthood.  Lesbians would likewise be shuffled off to a convent.  This was (supposed to be) a place where people with such strange proclivities would remain celibate, refrain from homosexual sin and serve God. It made them respectable and the families of these people could be proud of their children who became Priests instead of leading a life of homosexual debauchery. 

The problem is two-fold:  1) these homosexuals cared little if nothing about God, they were forced into the Priesthood for fear of being outed and shaming not just themselves but also their families and 2) they still very much wanted to fornicate with other men.  And, they were provided with ample opportunity to bugger other men like themselves, and for some of these priests, they had a sick liking for little boys as well. 

Homosexuality is an evil that festered within the Church because there were no other acceptable outlets for homosexual Catholics. Truly, homosexuality is the problem.  Prominent Catholics thought they found a righteous solution to the homosexual problem, but actually created the fortified nests where entire communities of perverts lurk and thrive.

you seem to be granting the premise that homosexuals are just born that way...which i do not accept.

there exist identical twins where one is homosexual and the other isnt. this contradicts your premise.

FOS » 26 Jul 2022, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 2:38 pm

you seem to be granting the premise that homosexuals are just born that way...which i do not accept.

there exist identical twins where one is homosexual and the other isnt. this contradicts your premise.

the idea that homosexuality is a choice implies that I, by sheer will can stop being attracted to women and suddenly become aroused by hairy man ***.  I can’t.  Doesn’t that contradict your premise?

SJConspirator » 26 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm

the idea that homosexuality is a choice implies that I, by sheer will can stop being attracted to women and suddenly become aroused by hairy man ***.  I can’t.  Doesn’t that contradict your premise?

Without some serious motivation for this you would be unlikely to. But it is real common for men serving long prison sentences to turn gay. And I believe homosexuality is often the result of being raped as a child 

FOS » 26 Jul 2022, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 2:38 pm

you seem to be granting the premise that homosexuals are just born that way...which i do not accept.

there exist identical twins where one is homosexual and the other isnt. this contradicts your premise.

First, I think we need to distinguish between female and male homosexuals.  For purposes of this discussion, I am only referring to male homosexuals. I say this because there may be different physiological causes for this.  Second, I do believe that male homosexuals, absent any trauma or molestation that may have occurred early on in the boy's life, are mostly (not all) born that way - that is my assertion.

My third point will address your identical twins example (I am taking this on face that it is true and that you could cite me to it if needed).  I do not believe there is a "gay gene". If there was, then homosexuality would have disappeared due to natural selection long ago. Homosexuality is more a product of retarded sexual development as a developing fetus.  What likely happens is that a critical hormone level is either too high or too low during the child/fetus' development of the of his brain. Clearly a normal male's brain is pre-programmed to respond to female pheromones at a certain time in the male's life.

All animals have instincts, and humans are no exception.  Normal males instinctively driven to mate with developed females when they reach puberty.  This instinct, as many of our instincts (newborn suckling instinct, crying, imprinting, etc.), were pre-programmed into us during prenatal development.

I did not invent this theory.  It is based on an older study of rat populations where pregnant female rats experienced higher levels of stress due to over population.  One of the results was that male offspring were more likely to engage in homosexual behavior, which ultimately would cause the population to decrease as a whole.

 

Skans » 26 Jul 2022, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 3:25 pm

First, I think we need to distinguish between female and male homosexuals.  For purposes of this discussion, I am only referring to male homosexuals. I say this because there may be different physiological causes for this.  Second, I do believe that male homosexuals, absent any trauma or molestation that may have occurred early on in the boy's life, are mostly (not all) born that way - that is my assertion.

My third point will address your identical twins example (I am taking this on face that it is true and that you could cite me to it if needed).  I do not believe there is a "gay gene". If there was, then homosexuality would have disappeared due to natural selection long ago. Homosexuality is more a product of retarded sexual development as a developing fetus.  What likely happens is that a critical hormone level is either too high or too low during the child/fetus' development of the of his brain. Clearly a normal male's brain is pre-programmed to respond to female pheromones at a certain time in the male's life.

All animals have instincts, and humans are no exception.  Normal males instinctively driven to mate with developed females when they reach puberty.  This instinct, as many of our instincts (newborn suckling instinct, crying, imprinting, etc.), were pre-programmed into us during prenatal development.

I did not invent this theory.  It is based on an older study of rat populations where pregnant female rats experienced higher levels of stress due to over population.  One of the results was that male offspring were more likely to engage in homosexual behavior, which ultimately would cause the population to decrease as a whole.

there is evidence that pre natal hormone lev3ls have an impact on this disease. In fact there is a strong correlation with sexual malfunction and relative finger lengths, which is also affected by pre natal hormones. 

But my argument is still that homosexuality is mainly caused by environmental factors (and the Calhoun mouse utopia experiment you are alluding do is just yet another example of that...environment influenced pre-programmed natal hormones...right? (And it isn't strictly correct to call those mice gay))..and I would argue that the massive rates of homosexuality and pedophilia we see today is largely a result of our current environment...and was absent centuries ago
 

SJConspirator » 26 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm

FOS » 26 Jul 2022, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 2:38 pm

you seem to be granting the premise that homosexuals are just born that way...which i do not accept.

there exist identical twins where one is homosexual and the other isnt. this contradicts your premise.

the idea that homosexuality is a choice implies that I, by sheer will can stop being attracted to women and suddenly become aroused by hairy man ***.  I can’t.  Doesn’t that contradict your premise?

FOS » 26 Jul 2022, 3:22 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 3:22 pm

SJConspirator » 26 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm

the idea that homosexuality is a choice implies that I, by sheer will can stop being attracted to women and suddenly become aroused by hairy man ***.  I can’t.  Doesn’t that contradict your premise?

Without some serious motivation for this you would be unlikely to. But it is real common for men serving long prison sentences to turn gay. And I believe homosexuality is often the result of being raped as a child 

Homosexuality is instinctive self awareness to proportionately alive limited to adapting in the moment as a reproductive displacement bridging the gap of people occupying space as a species between events of inception and extinction to living by the numbers currently occupying space.

The tendency to be homo sexual male o female comes within the brain being the first fertilized cell's nucleus became the organ of the central nervous system a body developed around as the one of a kind infant able to adapt with never same total sum details living since conceived until decomposed.

Again, something from nothing more than reproductively added as anything here never same total sum twice evolving forward now. Anyway, with evolution never being perfect, some results arrive defective, and homosexuality sterilizes fertile people with defects and they become attracted to same genders with genetic defects that shouldn't get passed into another generation.

Why sibling matter.

FOS » 26 Jul 2022, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 3:34 pm

there is evidence that pre natal hormone lev3ls have an impact on this disease. In fact there is a strong correlation with sexual malfunction and relative finger lengths, which is also affected by pre natal hormones. 

But my argument is still that homosexuality is mainly caused by environmental factors (and the Calhoun mouse utopia experiment you are alluding do is just yet another example of that...environment influenced pre-programmed natal hormones...right? (And it isn't strictly correct to call those mice gay))..and I would argue that the massive rates of homosexuality and pedophilia we see today is largely a result of our current environment...and was absent centuries ago

Ok, point taken.  I would say that environmental factors acting on the mother do (or may, no one is certain about this) impact a woman's hormone levels which then impacts the developing fetus.  So, indirectly, yes, those kind of environmental factors may very well determine whether a larger percentage of babies are born with retarded or incomplete sexual development, causing them to seek out homosexual relationships later on in life.

In dismissing environmental factors, I was focused on environmental factors such as learned behavior.  I do not believe that homosexuality is learned in most instances.
 

Skans » 26 Jul 2022, 4:44 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2022, 4:44 pm

Ok, point taken.  I would say that environmental factors acting on the mother do (or may, no one is certain about this) impact a woman's hormone levels which then impacts the developing fetus.  So, indirectly, yes, those kind of environmental factors may very well determine whether a larger percentage of babies are born with retarded or incomplete sexual development, causing them to seek out homosexual relationships later on in life.

In dismissing environmental factors, I was focused on environmental factors such as learned behavior.  I do not believe that homosexuality is learned in most instances.

I wouldn't hazard a guess on how much is 'learned' (hard to define that category anyway)...but I have no doubt that the massive explosion we see currently in homosexuality is a response to cultural incentives.