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FOS » 29 Jul 2022, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 10:27 am

you are so **** bourgoise. Im throwing you to the marxists. FFS.

You know, I almost said "welcome to the 21st Century, the term is now 'Bougie'."

Then, I thought "that can't be right"; looked up the Urban Dictionary definition of Bougie, and it is really a term for someone who thinks they are high-class, but really aren't.  Xavier isn't high class and takes pride in living like a pauper.   Anyway, your statement is correct, and more importantly will stand the test of time.
 
 

Skans » 29 Jul 2022, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 11:44 am

You know, I almost said "welcome to the 21st Century, the term is now 'Bougie'."

Then, I thought "that can't be right"; looked up the Urban Dictionary definition of Bougie, and it is really a term for someone who thinks they are high-class, but really aren't.  Xavier isn't high class and takes pride in living like a pauper.   Anyway, your statement is correct, and more importantly will stand the test of time.

bourgoise always meant the sort of ignorant middle class who make the dominance hierarchy about consumption of product.

rather than...say...the medieval bashing skulls in. 

or the nationalist ubermensch. 

the one thing i can agree with marxists about. maybe at least the one thing. **** the bourgoise.

Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2022, 1:29 pm

What about those little doll-inside-a-doll things? Are those well made?

I've heard nice things about faberje eggs...

As far as artsy fartsy stuff. I have thought some of the russian women  to be among the best out there.  

FOS » 29 Jul 2022, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 11:51 am

bourgoise always meant the sort of ignorant middle class who make the dominance hierarchy about consumption of product.

rather than...say...the medieval bashing skulls in. 

or the nationalist ubermensch. 

the one thing i can agree with marxists about. maybe at least the one thing. **** the bourgoise.

Yeah, well, I'm probably pretty bourgeois myself. What exactly is the "middle class" these days?  How would you define it?
 

Skans » 29 Jul 2022, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 12:29 pm

Yeah, well, I'm probably pretty bourgeois myself. What exactly is the "middle class" these days?  How would you define it?

middle class is people who think their will to power is expressed by making more money,

One word... Socialism

The Russian tanks are junkers and every military in the world knows it. The T-72 and T-80 are jack in the box tanks and the turrets are all over the Ukraine. This problem is a design function and it concerns the number of crewmen that the tank was designed for. Russia has a new tank that is called the "Armata". It is yet to be deployed. The Su-57 fighter plane is touted as a 6th generation fighter. Russia has only built about a dozen. The plane was deployed in Syria and had two combat trials. The plane had to be removed after only a couple of weeks. Captured or shot down Russian planes have been sent to the USA, from Ukraine, and all electronics have been analyzed. Russian electronics in these planes are ancient and easily jammed or defeated. Russia is light years behind in chip development and manufacture. Russia is having problems building new military equipment because of lack of electronics. Their soldiers are eating food that has expiration dates on them from 25 years ago. Russia is a third rate country with nukes.

FOS » 29 Jul 2022, 12:30 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 12:30 pm

middle class is people who think their will to power is expressed by making more money,

So, if someone has 100 million dollars, but still want to make more money, would you consider that person "middle class"?

What if a person has $1,000,000, a paid-for house, but no will to wield power over anyone.  And, the $1M provides this person with enough money to live on without having to work a job, does that make me "upper class", or still middle class?

Perhaps you are of the mindset that a person can only be born into the upper class?  And, regardless of the amount of accumulated wealth, such a person not born into the upper class will always be bourgeois.  Of course, this assumes that Marx's definitions of class are accurate and stand the test of time.   Personally, I think Marx was nothing more than an over-educated, drunk idiot, and that his observations were period-centric at best. Meaning, they are faulty to begin with and could never be applied to other time periods universally.

My litmus test for people who have moved out of the middle class is where a person can afford to completely support a decent style of living without having to work for wages/salary or life off of Social Security.   Now, take Xavier for example, he doesn't work.  Yet he has enough income to live, albeit very frugally.  Is he upper class?  I think we'd both say "no" to that.
 
 
 

Come on, splurge - get yourself one of these, which at $10K are actually a good value: I bought a Rolex Explorer 1016 in the Pacific Exchange, Nha Trang in 1969. I have worn it every day since then. It has been cleaned 3 times and gaskets were replaced 20 years ago. The lugs on the band have been replaced about 10 years ago. Indestructible.

Skans » 29 Jul 2022, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 12:54 pm

So, if someone has 100 million dollars, but still want to make more money, would you consider that person "middle class"?

yes.

i also assume i could beat their ***.

their hard earned money (lol) is gonna be mine eventually.

dude forget class. there are 2 kinds of people. those who rule and those who must be ruled.

the middle class is only distinguished by the fact they like to be ruled.
 

johndnorth » 29 Jul 2022, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 12:55 pm

Come on, splurge - get yourself one of these, which at $10K are actually a good value: I bought a Rolex Explorer 1016 in the Pacific Exchange, Nha Trang in 1969. I have worn it every day since then. It has been cleaned 3 times and gaskets were replaced 20 years ago. The lugs on the band have been replaced about 10 years ago. Indestructible.

You did. Why would you waste money like that on a watch? Trying to impress someone. Please tell me you got some wimmins outta that.  

Skans » 28 Jul 2022, 5:51 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2022, 5:51 am

When it comes to manufacturing fine things such as  . . .  guns  . . .  
 

What's amazing is the level of brainwashing you've willingly underwent !

You seem to ignore the millions of dollars America spends and pay to Russia for every single return flight to the  IIS !
We're talking in the order of $1,000,000 per seat, per passenger !
And that since so many years !

And, by the way,  it seems they do not need all those $$$$  really  . . .  since they're threatening to stop  cooperating with  NASA  from 2024 !
And  NASA  without Russians couldn't even fire a hyperspace rocket out of the atmosphere !
While China and Russia have done that repeatedly !

LOL  . . .  THAT's  how stupid you are !
Okay, not stupid  . . .  just brainwashed !
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But we all know ignorance is bliss  . . .  so enjoy your stupidity !

FOS » 29 Jul 2022, 12:56 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 12:56 pm

yes.

i also assume i could beat their ***.

their hard earned money (lol) is gonna be mine eventually.

dude forget class. there are 2 kinds of people. those who rule and those who must be ruled.

I'm going to ignore your first 3 lines - they don't add anything to the discussion.  As for the 4th line, I disagree. What you have described is the Political Class. Yet, there are plenty of folks in the United States and elsewhere who are not "ruled" by anyone. They have enough accumulated wealth to pretty much do whatever the heck they want to, short of telling others what they must do.  They can buy whatever they want, live wherever they want, go wherever they want (within reason) and decide to work or not work - totally up to them.  I say such people are not middle class.
 
 
 

JinnMartini » 29 Jul 2022, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 1:03 pm

What's amazing is the level of brainwashing you've willingly underwent !

You seem to ignore the millions of dollars America spends and pay to Russia for every single return flight to the  IIS !
We're talking in the order of $1,000,000 per seat, per passenger !
And that since so many years !

And, by the way,  it seems they do not need all those $$$$  really  . . .  since they're threatening to stop  cooperating with  NASA  from 2024 !
And  NASA  without Russians couldn't even fire a hyperspace rocket out of the atmosphere !
While China and Russia have done that repeatedly !

LOL  . . .  THAT's  how stupid you are !
Okay, not stupid  . . .  just brainwashed !
---------------------------------------------------------
But we all know ignorance is bliss  . . .  so enjoy your stupidity !

FYI they just recently said **** NASA. https://www.npr.org/2022/07/26/11136834 ... %20Ukraine.

Skans » 29 Jul 2022, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 1:05 pm

I'm going to ignore your first 3 lines - they don't add anything to the discussion.  As for the 4th line, I disagree. What you have described is the Political Class. Yet, there are plenty of folks in the United States and elsewhere who are not "ruled" by anyone. They have enough accumulated wealth to pretty much do whatever the heck they want to, short of telling others what they must do.  They can buy whatever they want, live wherever they want, go wherever they want (within reason) and decide to work or don't work - totally up to them.  I say such people are not middle class.

i think you are simply ruled but cant admit it because it hurts your ego.

good. it should.

Skans » 29 Jul 2022, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 1:05 pm

I'm going to ignore your first 3 lines - they don't add anything to the discussion.  As for the 4th line, I disagree. What you have described is the Political Class. Yet, there are plenty of folks in the United States and elsewhere who are not "ruled" by anyone. They have enough accumulated wealth to pretty much do whatever the heck they want to, short of telling others what they must do.  They can buy whatever they want, live wherever they want, go wherever they want (within reason) and decide to work or not work - totally up to them.  I say such people are not middle class.

https://youtu.be/ewRjZoRtu0Y

middle class anthem

FOS » 29 Jul 2022, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 1:06 pm

i think you are simply ruled but cant admit it because it hurts your ego.

good. it should.

Well, I wasn't talking about me or even sharing my personal circumstances. I was trying to have a discussion about what defines the "middle class".   For all anyone knows I could have a billion dollars, be living hand-to-mouth, or just be some guy with about as much money and stuff as the average person.

So, as for my "ego" - not really a factor in this discussion, because I'm not talking about me. And, as for being ruled - I don't feel like I'm being ruled by anyone - at least not until I have to file my tax return.
 

FOS » 29 Jul 2022, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 1:09 pm

https://youtu.be/ewRjZoRtu0Y

middle class anthem

Please, tell me you don't listen to that crap.
 

Skans » 29 Jul 2022, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 1:11 pm

Well, I wasn't talking about me or even sharing my personal circumstances. I was trying to have a discussion about what defines the "middle class".   For all anyone knows I could have a billion dollars, be living hand-to-mouth, or just be some guy with about as much money and stuff as the average person.

So, as for my "ego" - not really a factor in this discussion, because I'm not talking about me. And, as for being ruled - I don't feel like I'm being ruled by anyone - at least not until I have to file my tax return.

you pay your taxes and you stfu. you are too weak to do otherwise.

compared to my MIA rap video lol. this is music for the upper class. It is about attitude, not money. https://youtu.be/H3v9unphfi0
 

I don't take the term "middle class" seriously, as it is a broad-spectrum term, open to opinion only.
Although, my interpretation of it simply means that someone who has enough money to make living conditions comfortable, have the funds to do what makes them happy, and do not feel impoverished or in need...no money worries. Varies with each person and their "wants."