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Why Can Germans, Swiss, Italians and Even the Czechs Make Fine Things, But Russia Produces 3rd World Junk???
Why Can Germans, Swiss, Italians and Even the Czechs Make Fine Things, But Russia Produces 3rd World Junk???
By Skans
28 Jul 2022 5:51 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
30 Jul 2022 1:59 pm
Skans » 30 Jul 2022, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑ I'd say I meet 95% of these metrics. But, on my car (especially my high millage car) I run the tires down to the belts, if I can. I shouldn't. I can afford not to. My dad would preach to me to always have good rubber on my vehicle. Still, something inside me hates waste, and hates wasting tires that still work.
I'm guessing you're under 45.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
30 Jul 2022 2:06 pm
My definition of working class agrees precisely with SJC's -he just broke it down further. You shouldn't be running on working class rubber.Skans » 30 Jul 2022, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑ While I really can't disagree with what you've said, I'd probably break today's classes in America down to the following:
1. Illegal Immigrant class
2. Homeless class
3. Poor - can't find work and relies on public assistance to survive; but still has a permanent roof over his head
4. Working Class - we'll go with yours and @Cannonpointer's definition which is not that far apart
5. Middle Class
6. Upper Middle Class
7. Independently wealthy
8. Political Class (long term elected politician)
9. Blue-bloods - come from families who have had money for at least several generations, don't need to work.
10. Uber-Rich - Those with discretionary wealth in excess of $100 Million.
11. Billionaire's Club
My take on your break down is that it's good. I would give it only one tweak. I. should be wedged between 3. and 4.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
30 Jul 2022 3:40 pm
Mine looked something like this...GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Jul 2022, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑ It's amazing how many of those plastic models sold...millions. The success rate of the 12 year old Rookie Pilots was pretty low...my plastic COX P-40 lasted 2 seconds after take off.
A lot of Russian stuff is of course second rate.
Ever seen anyone bother to restore an old Russian Car....?
It was a frustrating (and painful) piece of ****. But, I did manage to get it to work, even as a 10 year old kid. I eventually figured out that a bigger battery would get that sucker hot enough to burn anything. I can't remember what I used, I just remember experimenting with lots of stuff.
30 Jul 2022 3:54 pm
Nice Corsair..!Skans » 30 Jul 2022, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑ Mine looked something like this...
It was a frustrating (and painful) piece of ****. But, I did manage to get it to work, even as a 10 year old kid. I eventually figured out that a bigger battery would get that sucker hot enough to burn anything. I can't remember what I used, I just remember experimenting with lots of stuff.
You would be amazed how much better these planes will fly if they are built lighter....out of balsa wood.
The plastic planes if I recall flew on 16 feet of string....with the same power these planes built lighter will be fully aerobatic on twice as much string
"Lighter Crashes Better" too...less kinetic energy. Balsa is 100% repairable too.
A typical commercial fuel mix for the little .049 engine was 25% nitro methane, 25% castor oil or synthetic oil and 50% methanol. They will run without any nitro but be harder to start and put out 10% less power.
I have heard they will run on other fuel like you experimented with.
The thing is..on other fuels there is no catalytic action to keep the glow plug lit. On other fuels the engine is running more like a diesel with the ignition based on compression alone.
Methanol has a catalytic reaction with the exotic metal element in the glow plug to keep the combustion cycle happy and this is a pretty miraculous thing that White Men discovered WAY back when.
30 Jul 2022 4:50 pm
You do not see many restored Soviet/ Russian cars because very few were imported into the US. If you know how to google, you will see a lot of restored Moskvitches, Zhigulis, Zils and, of course, Ladas.GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Jul 2022, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑ It's amazing how many of those plastic models sold...millions. The success rate of the 12 year old Rookie Pilots was pretty low...my plastic COX P-40 lasted 2 seconds after take off.
A lot of Russian stuff is of course second rate.
Ever seen anyone bother to restore an old Russian Car....
The Lada is assembled in many countries beside Russia and the former Soviet Republics. The original name was Zhiguli, which was changed due to being hard to pronounce by non Slavic speakers. It was originally based on the Fiat 124, but was made more durable out of heavier gauge metal and higher ground clearance and a more powerful and efficient engine. I have seen Ladas in Ecuador, Argentina and Uruguay used as taxis.
Here is an interesting tale about a restored Moskvitch that even won first prize at a car show:
https://www.rbth.com/history/330524-sel ... -americans
30 Jul 2022 5:26 pm
I'm KNOWING that he is an IDIOT!
30 Jul 2022 5:51 pm
Xavier_Onassis » 30 Jul 2022, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑ You do not see many restored Soviet/ Russian cars because very few were imported into the US. If you know how to google, you will see a lot of restored Moskvitches, Zhigulis, Zils and, of course, Ladas.
The Lada is assembled in many countries beside Russia and the former Soviet Republics. The original name was Zhiguli, which was changed due to being hard to pronounce by non Slavic speakers. It was originally based on the Fiat 124, but was made more durable out of heavier gauge metal and higher ground clearance and a more powerful and efficient engine. I have seen Ladas in Ecuador, Argentina and Uruguay used as taxis.
Here is an interesting tale about a restored Moskvitch that even won first prize at a car show
https://www.rbth.com/history/330524-sel ... -americans
Leave it to a LIBERAL to use an exception, fluke, rariity and outlier as an example of something that is generally true.....
That UGLY RUSSIAN POS TUNA CAN reminds me of the "HENRY J"...which was a cheaply "made in the USA" car that ended up becoming a CULT FAVORITE with some Hot Rodders who ran in the GASSER CLASS
https://youtu.be/zs_vwwFjccg
https://youtu.be/P1QHdPaINSw
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30 Jul 2022 6:53 pm
Skans » 28 Jul 2022, 5:51 am » wrote: ↑ When it comes to manufacturing fine things such as watches, vehicles or guns, certain nations excel such as Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Japan and even the Czechs to a more limited degree. But the quality of Russian made products is 3rd world in comparison.
Take mechanical watches for example. Each of the countries listed above (except for the Czechs) take pride in the ability of companies that can make very fine, precision watches. But, then look at Russian made mechanical watches - freaking ugly as monkey **** and crudely made. Yes, they work, but Russian made watches offend me they are so damn ugly. I've tried to find one, JUST ONE, that I could say "now, that's a fine watch", but it's impossible. They are all f-ing total ****.
What about guns - can the Russians make a fine weapon? No, they can't. They make crude weapons that work. Compare a Russian Over-Under shotgun made by Baikal to an O/U shotgun made by any of the Italian makers. There is no comparison. The Russian one is a monkey-turd that works ok, while the Italian shotguns can be as sought after as original paintings by famous artists.
It's that way with everything Russia makes. For a country that is rather industrialized, Russia seems eons behind other European countries (and Japan) as to the level of fineness and quality.
They also can't cook for ****. have you ever tried eating at a Russian restaurant? Their food is bland. It's like eating air.
Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post:
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...
From which you are running...
1 Aug 2022 7:54 am
DAMN! No wonder why I was so frustrated with this thing. When I first got it my dad bought me a small canister of fuel to go with it. When that was used up, it just sat for a couple of years before I started to experiment with different fuels. The trick was to get that glow plug hot enough - I at least knew that. But, it not staying hot enough was something that made no sense to me. Depending on whatever mix I was using at the time, I could get it to fly long enough before I crashed it. Some plastic part finally broke beyond my capability of repairing it, and that was that.GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Jul 2022, 3:54 pm » wrote: ↑ Nice Corsair..!
You would be amazed how much better these planes will fly if they are built lighter....out of balsa wood.
The plastic planes if I recall flew on 16 feet of string....with the same power these planes built lighter will be fully aerobatic on twice as much string
"Lighter Crashes Better" too...less kinetic energy. Balsa is 100% repairable too.
A typical commercial fuel mix for the little .049 engine was 25% nitro methane, 25% castor oil or synthetic oil and 50% methanol. They will run without any nitro but be harder to start and put out 10% less power.
I have heard they will run on other fuel like you experimented with.
The thing is..on other fuels there is no catalytic action to keep the glow plug lit. On other fuels the engine is running more like a diesel with the ignition based on compression alone.
Methanol has a catalytic reaction with the exotic metal element in the glow plug to keep the combustion cycle happy and this is a pretty miraculous thing that White Men discovered WAY back when.
1 Aug 2022 7:55 am
I do not believe I've ever eaten Russian food.Vegas » 30 Jul 2022, 6:53 pm » wrote: ↑ They also can't cook for ****. have you ever tried eating at a Russian restaurant? Their food is bland. It's like eating air.
1 Aug 2022 7:57 am
Skans » 28 Jul 2022, 5:51 am » wrote: ↑ When it comes to manufacturing fine things such as watches, vehicles or guns, certain nations excel such as Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Japan and even the Czechs to a more limited degree. But the quality of Russian made products is 3rd world in comparison.
Take mechanical watches for example. Each of the countries listed above (except for the Czechs) take pride in the ability of companies that can make very fine, precision watches. But, then look at Russian made mechanical watches - freaking ugly as monkey **** and crudely made. Yes, they work, but Russian made watches offend me they are so damn ugly. I've tried to find one, JUST ONE, that I could say "now, that's a fine watch", but it's impossible. They are all f-ing total ****.
What about guns - can the Russians make a fine weapon? No, they can't. They make crude weapons that work. Compare a Russian Over-Under shotgun made by Baikal to an O/U shotgun made by any of the Italian makers. There is no comparison. The Russian one is a monkey-turd that works ok, while the Italian shotguns can be as sought after as original paintings by famous artists.
It's that way with everything Russia makes. For a country that is rather industrialized, Russia seems eons behind other European countries (and Japan) as to the level of fineness and quality.
Russia (USSR) did well with the AK47 and the MI 24 HIND D.
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1 Aug 2022 8:16 am
Not wise at all. Bald tires will give you poor traction and use more fuel. Try this with your bald tires: the next time it rains, get your car up to 70 or so and hit the brakes. That should convince you.Skans » 30 Jul 2022, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑ I'd say I meet 95% of these metrics. But, on my car (especially my high millage car) I run the tires down to the belts, if I can. I shouldn't. I can afford not to. My dad would preach to me to always have good rubber on my vehicle. Still, something inside me hates waste, and hates wasting tires that still work.
My Subaru started to tell me that there was a tire pressure problem. No matter how much I increased or decreased the pressure from 32 PSI, the light stayed on. There was a bit of tread left, but I put a set of new tires on anyway. and presto! The pressure warning light came off!
Tires can last for up to 40,000 miles, and will deliver better fuel economy as well, Plus, your car will not unexpectedly teach you about drifting. The mail order tire places are the place to go for new tires, as tire stores have far fewer choices, and will lie to you about what the tires will deliver.
They also like to sell brake jobs and peddle new struts and such.
Buying tires online gives you the upper hand when you buy tires. My experience is that WalMart is LEAST likely to sell you stuff you did not come in for.
1 Aug 2022 8:17 am
While I can't speak to the helicopter, I will say the AK47 is a crudely made weapon. Yes, it is effective, but the receiver and many of its components are crudely made and have very loose tolerances. I suspect Kalashnikov designed it that way because he had little faith in Russian manufacturing to consistently make something with much tighter tolerances which worked reliably. The iron sites are abysmal. The one-size-fits-all is problematic. The difficulty of mounting optics required a goofy workaround. The amount of flex in the receivers and barrels makes them inherently less accurate than a precision weapon. Seriously, watch a high-speed video of an AK receiver flexing when fired. The Chinese stamped receivers are 1.6mm and have the least amount of flex for a stamped receiver.
I know the original AK's were made on milled receivers. But, that quickly changed. And, the milled receivers were also crudely made compared to something lime an M1 Garand or an M14.
1 Aug 2022 8:25 am
And, in dry weather, bald tires will give you more traction. The only thing treads really do is keep your vehicle from hydroplaning when you go through a shallow puddle. And, even the ability of a fully treaded tire to accomplish this is marginal at best. You never see the racing pros using treaded tires on their race vehicles (well, possibly a tiny bit of tread during the Daytona 400).Xavier_Onassis » 01 Aug 2022, 8:16 am » wrote: ↑ Not wise at all. Bald tires will give you poor traction and use more fuel. Try this with your bald tires: the next time it rains, get your car up to 70 or so and hit the brakes. That should convince you.
My Subaru started to tell me that there was a tire pressure problem. No matter how much I increased or decreased the pressure from 32 PSI, the light stayed on. There was a bit of tread left, but I put a set of new tires on anyway. and presto! The pressure warning light came off!
Tires can last for up to 40,000 miles, and will deliver better fuel economy as well, Plus, your car will not unexpectedly teach you about drifting. The mail order tire places are the place to go for new tires, as tire stores have far fewer choices, and will lie to you about what the tires will deliver.
They also like to sell brake jobs and peddle new struts and such.
Buying tires online gives you the upper hand when you buy tires. My experience is that WalMart is LEAST likely to sell you stuff you did not come in for.
So, as long as your front tires have a bit of tread left on them, you will be fine. Your rear wheels do not need tread. And, the gas mileage thing is just false. Higher tire pressures will give you better gas mileage, but will also be harder on your tires and your car.
1 Aug 2022 8:27 am
I think that Russians are every bit as talented as other nationalities. To produce good products, at least four elements are needed: a good idea, reliable and consistent source of raw materials, adequate capital to fun the research and development, and engineering to mas produce the item. Russia has traditionally had the problem of the creative people (the inventor and the production engineers) not sharing the official ideology of the people with the capital and those who supply the raw materials.
The best example of Russian genius is Igor Sikorsky, the helicopter guy. he didn't INVENT the helicopter, but he developed helicopters that tended to not plummet unexpectedly out of the sky so often.
The best example of Russian genius is Igor Sikorsky, the helicopter guy. he didn't INVENT the helicopter, but he developed helicopters that tended to not plummet unexpectedly out of the sky so often.
1 Aug 2022 8:33 am
Skans » 01 Aug 2022, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑While I can't speak to the helicopter, I will say the AK47 is a crudely made weapon. Yes, it is effective, but the receiver and many of its components are crudely made and have very loose tolerances. I suspect Kalashnikov designed it that way because he had little faith in Russian manufacturing to consistently make something with much tighter tolerances which worked reliably. The iron sites are abysmal. The one-size-fits-all is problematic. The difficulty of mounting optics required a goofy workaround. The amount of flex in the receivers and barrels makes them inherently less accurate than a precision weapon. Seriously, watch a high-speed video of an AK receiver flexing when fired. The Chinese stamped receivers are 1.6mm and have the least amount of flex for a stamped receiver.
I know the original AK's were made on milled receivers. But, that quickly changed. And, the milled receivers were also crudely made compared to something lime an M1 Garand or an M14.
I did not know that about the AK. It was popular. The Hind was a flying tank. While they weren't real Hinds they were the helicopter in Red Dawn and the Rambo movie where he went to Afghanistan. It was faster then the Apache but not as maneuverable.
I saw one if Germany while flying the border while a flight crew chief on a Huey . We had nothing but a 60. They were loaded for bear with rockets, 30mm or the equivalent, and probably an air to air. Every once in a while he would light us up. The detector would go beep beep beep, faster and faster, and right as it went solid he would shut it off. Scared the hell out of us.
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1 Aug 2022 8:43 am
And, in dry weather, bald tires will give you more traction. The only thing treads really do is keep your vehicle from hydroplaning when you go through a shallow puddle. And, even the ability of a fully treaded tire to accomplish this is marginal at best. You never see the racing pros using treaded tires on their race vehicles (well, possibly a tiny bit of tread during the Daytona 400).Xavier_Onassis » 01 Aug 2022, 8:16 am » wrote: ↑ Not wise at all. Bald tires will give you poor traction and use more fuel. Try this with your bald tires: the next time it rains, get your car up to 70 or so and hit the brakes. That should convince you.
My Subaru started to tell me that there was a tire pressure problem. No matter how much I increased or decreased the pressure from 32 PSI, the light stayed on. There was a bit of tread left, but I put a set of new tires on anyway. and presto! The pressure warning light came off!
Tires can last for up to 40,000 miles, and will deliver better fuel economy as well, Plus, your car will not unexpectedly teach you about drifting. The mail order tire places are the place to go for new tires, as tire stores have far fewer choices, and will lie to you about what the tires will deliver.
They also like to sell brake jobs and peddle new struts and such.
Buying tires online gives you the upper hand when you buy tires. My experience is that WalMart is LEAST likely to sell you stuff you did not come in for.
So, as long as your front tires have a bit of tread left on them, you will be fine. Your rear wheels do not need tread. And, the gas mileage thing is just false. Higher tire pressures will give you better gas mileage, but will also be harder on your tires and your car.
1 Aug 2022 11:15 am
In auto races, they use tires that are especially made for auto races, so specialized that they require changing even in 500 mile races. No normal citizen would use a tire that is useful for under 500 miles. High speed racing is one thing, and daily driving is something very different. Tires made for auto races and custom made for racing. Tires I put on my car are made for driving around town for six or seven YEARS or so.Skans » 01 Aug 2022, 8:25 am » wrote: ↑ And, in dry weather, bald tires will give you more traction. The only thing treads really do is keep your vehicle from hydroplaning when you go through a shallow puddle. And, even the ability of a fully treaded tire to accomplish this is marginal at best. You never see the racing pros using treaded tires on their race vehicles (well, possibly a tiny bit of tread during the Daytona 400).
So, as long as your front tires have a bit of tread left on them, you will be fine. Your rear wheels do not need tread. And, the gas mileage thing is just false. Higher tire pressures will give you better gas mileage, but will also be harder on your tires and your car.
My car is a Subaru, and like all Subarus, it has 4 wheel drive. Some tires are made to have less rolling resistance than others, because they are made of a different formula of synthetic rubber. This is noit a myth, it has been tested and verified by Consumers Reports.
The real danger driving in the rain is when there has been a hot dry spell, and the oil and other crap that has poured poured our the exhausts over days or weeks gets wet and rises to the surface. THAT is when the loss of traction occurs. I live about a block from a twelve lane interstate and that is when I hear the crashes and collisions, with occasional rollovers and jackknifed semis. Were they hydroplaning? Maybe. But just after the highway gets wet, it becomes very, very slick, and hitting the brakes makes cars fishtail and that causes collisions. Not "puddles".
1 Aug 2022 11:27 am
Skans » 01 Aug 2022, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑ DAMN! No wonder why I was so frustrated with this thing. When I first got it my dad bought me a small canister of fuel to go with it. When that was used up, it just sat for a couple of years before I started to experiment with different fuels. The trick was to get that glow plug hot enough - I at least knew that. But, it not staying hot enough was something that made no sense to me. Depending on whatever mix I was using at the time, I could get it to fly long enough before I crashed it. Some plastic part finally broke beyond my capability of repairing it, and that was that.
Good morning Skans.
Here is an example of the best of the best that this sport has to offer for flying the "Precision Stunt Routine" in competition.
I'm easily bored with watching this event after 5 minutes..but I appreciate the work that goes into these planes and the nerve it takes to fly the entire routine over hard pavement with 5 foot pullouts above terra firma.....
When Paul Walker does square loops, or triangles with sharp corners....there is no mistaking those manuevers for anything else. There is no "wobble" to his pull outs
https://youtu.be/GXFelZaO9LI
1 Aug 2022 11:57 am
No, the real danger in driving in rain with no treads is hydroplaning. Treads do nothing for oil slicks.Xavier_Onassis » 01 Aug 2022, 11:15 am » wrote: ↑
The real danger driving in the rain is when there has been a hot dry spell, and the oil and other crap that has poured poured our the exhausts over days or weeks gets wet and rises to the surface.
Exactly. Bet those tires had tread on them too. You have been reading way too many tire company "scare-propaganda" on this. Tire treads are useful, but only to displace water. Normal car treads are not going to help you much with mud either. 4-wheel drive will.THAT is when the loss of traction occurs. I live about a block from a twelve lane interstate and that is when I hear the crashes and collisions, with occasional rollovers and jackknifed semis. Were they hydroplaning? Maybe. But just after the highway gets wet, it becomes very, very slick, and hitting the brakes makes cars fishtail and that causes collisions. Not "puddles".
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