Let's be clear about abundance vs scarcity

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By SJConspirator
28 Jul 2022 10:27 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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There is an ocean full of fish

If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood

If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..

Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
 
 
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SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: There is an ocean full of fish

If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood

If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..

Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
Aren't you really mincing over "availability" vs "ability" ?
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SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: There is an ocean full of fish

If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood

If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..

Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
Cro magnon man created the technology(spear) from the abundance of trees and caught fish from the abundance of the waters 🤷‍♂️
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28 Jul 2022 9:21 pm
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Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
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SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
Different points of view got you down that bad? 

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DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm » wrote: Aren't you really mincing over "availability" vs "ability" ?
No.

He is not.

He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).
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SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
Makes ya wanna cuss.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not your friend

An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.

Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.


If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 9:59 pm » wrote: No.

He is not.

He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).
My devil's advocate stance has you guys flummoxed.

Accessing the abundance is key.
Doesn't mean there's a scarcity because we're too stupid to get it.
It a semantic sword you can fall on. :wave:  
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Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 9:59 pm » wrote: No.

He is not.

He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).

these people must be baffled at how the population of planet earth started growing exponentially only after the industrial revolution 

"But we always had abundance derr hurr"
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DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:05 pm » wrote: My devil's advocate stance has you guys flummoxed.

Accessing the abundance is key.
Doesn't mean there's a scarcity because we're too stupid to get it.
You seem to have missed the point you are making. It's the point he was making.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not your friend

An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.

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Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 10:08 pm » wrote: You seem to have missed the point you are making. It's the point he was making.
Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.

He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.

I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone. :wave:  
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DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:12 pm » wrote: Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.

He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.

I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone. Image

"He made a point so I trolled"
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DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:12 pm » wrote: Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.

He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.

I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone. Image
Well, sir, I nominated his post the minute I read it. I believe it raises an extremely important issue. 

Perhaps you would be willing to elucidate how he might BETTER have raised it, since you seem to agree it is a real issue that was worth raising. Image
 
 
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not your friend

An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.

Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.


If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 10:19 pm » wrote: "He made a point so I trolled"

That seems to bottom-line it. 
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not your friend

An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.

Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.


If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 10:24 pm » wrote: Well, sir, I nominated his post the minute I read it. I believe it raises an extremely important issue. 

Perhaps you would be willing to elucidate how he might BETTER have raised it, since you seem to agree it is a real issue that was worth raising. Image
You always nominate his posts. Not new. ;)  

I just didn't see it as profound as you. That's all. No biggie.

Again, for reals. Color me gone.
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DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:31 pm » wrote:
I just didn't see it as profound as you. That's all.
Well, thank you.  Image  

That is a very nice thing to say. Image
 
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not your friend

An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.

Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.


If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 10:19 pm » wrote: "He made a point so I trolled"
Still miffed? Don't be. Not my intent.

I just didn't get as wowed as I should have, I guess.
Pardon my teeny remark you are puffing up.
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Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 10:32 pm » wrote: Well, thank you.  Image  

That is a very nice thing to say. Image
You are a good guy. :wave:  
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28 Jul 2022 10:39 pm
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DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm » wrote: Still miffed? Don't be. Not my intent.

I just didn't get as wowed as I should have, I guess.
Pardon my teeny remark you are puffing up.

the distinction is subtle yet powerful.  You haven't even tried to understand, that's what is annoying
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