Aren't you really mincing over "availability" vs "ability" ?SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑ There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
Cro magnon man created the technology(spear) from the abundance of trees and caught fish from the abundance of the watersSJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑ There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
Different points of view got you down that bad?SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
No.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑ Aren't you really mincing over "availability" vs "ability" ?
Makes ya wanna cuss.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
My devil's advocate stance has you guys flummoxed.Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 9:59 pm » wrote: ↑ No.
He is not.
He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).
Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 9:59 pm » wrote: ↑ No.
He is not.
He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).
You seem to have missed the point you are making. It's the point he was making.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:05 pm » wrote: ↑ My devil's advocate stance has you guys flummoxed.
Accessing the abundance is key.
Doesn't mean there's a scarcity because we're too stupid to get it.
Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 10:08 pm » wrote: ↑ You seem to have missed the point you are making. It's the point he was making.
DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:12 pm » wrote: ↑ Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.
He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.
I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone.
Well, sir, I nominated his post the minute I read it. I believe it raises an extremely important issue.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:12 pm » wrote: ↑ Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.
He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.
I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone.
You always nominate his posts. Not new.Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Well, sir, I nominated his post the minute I read it. I believe it raises an extremely important issue.
Perhaps you would be willing to elucidate how he might BETTER have raised it, since you seem to agree it is a real issue that was worth raising.
Well, thank you.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:31 pm » wrote: ↑
I just didn't see it as profound as you. That's all.
Still miffed? Don't be. Not my intent.
You are a good guy.
DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm » wrote: ↑ Still miffed? Don't be. Not my intent.
I just didn't get as wowed as I should have, I guess.
Pardon my teeny remark you are puffing up.