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Let's be clear about abundance vs scarcity
Let's be clear about abundance vs scarcity
By SJConspirator
28 Jul 2022 10:27 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
28 Jul 2022 7:46 pm
There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
28 Jul 2022 8:26 pm
28 Jul 2022 8:29 pm
Aren't you really mincing over "availability" vs "ability" ?SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑ There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 8:58 pm
Cro magnon man created the technology(spear) from the abundance of trees and caught fish from the abundance of the watersSJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑ There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
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28 Jul 2022 9:21 pm
28 Jul 2022 9:55 pm
Different points of view got you down that bad?SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 9:59 pm
No.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑ Aren't you really mincing over "availability" vs "ability" ?
He is not.
He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 10:00 pm
Makes ya wanna cuss.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 10:05 pm
My devil's advocate stance has you guys flummoxed.Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 9:59 pm » wrote: ↑ No.
He is not.
He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).
Accessing the abundance is key.
Doesn't mean there's a scarcity because we're too stupid to get it.
It a semantic sword you can fall on.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 10:06 pm
Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 9:59 pm » wrote: ↑ No.
He is not.
He is pointing to an enormously important - and very often overlooked - element in the scarcity-as-end-of-humanity mythology. How many population tipping points has humanity gone blasting past? This planet may only be rich enough to support a hundred million or so hunter-gatherers. The advent of agriculture blasted us past THAT tipping point like a bat out of heck (trying to clean up my language).
these people must be baffled at how the population of planet earth started growing exponentially only after the industrial revolution
"But we always had abundance derr hurr"
28 Jul 2022 10:08 pm
You seem to have missed the point you are making. It's the point he was making.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:05 pm » wrote: ↑ My devil's advocate stance has you guys flummoxed.
Accessing the abundance is key.
Doesn't mean there's a scarcity because we're too stupid to get it.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 10:12 pm
Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 10:08 pm » wrote: ↑ You seem to have missed the point you are making. It's the point he was making.
He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.
I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 10:19 pm
DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:12 pm » wrote: ↑ Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.
He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.
I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone.
"He made a point so I trolled"
28 Jul 2022 10:24 pm
Well, sir, I nominated his post the minute I read it. I believe it raises an extremely important issue.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:12 pm » wrote: ↑ Not if you read my original comment. I alluded to a semantic hair-splitting.
He was trying to be profound and seemed to get miffed when his profundity went unheralded.
I wasn't trying to get to here from there. Color me gone.
Perhaps you would be willing to elucidate how he might BETTER have raised it, since you seem to agree it is a real issue that was worth raising.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 10:25 pm
That seems to bottom-line it.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 10:31 pm
You always nominate his posts. Not new.Cannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Well, sir, I nominated his post the minute I read it. I believe it raises an extremely important issue.
Perhaps you would be willing to elucidate how he might BETTER have raised it, since you seem to agree it is a real issue that was worth raising.
I just didn't see it as profound as you. That's all. No biggie.
Again, for reals. Color me gone.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 10:32 pm
Well, thank you.DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:31 pm » wrote: ↑
I just didn't see it as profound as you. That's all.
That is a very nice thing to say.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 10:33 pm
Still miffed? Don't be. Not my intent.
I just didn't get as wowed as I should have, I guess.
Pardon my teeny remark you are puffing up.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 10:34 pm
You are a good guy.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 10:39 pm
DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm » wrote: ↑ Still miffed? Don't be. Not my intent.
I just didn't get as wowed as I should have, I guess.
Pardon my teeny remark you are puffing up.
the distinction is subtle yet powerful. You haven't even tried to understand, that's what is annoying
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